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#41 LA VIkes Fan

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:44 AM

The problem is that we have half a bullpen. I can see holding on to Mejia since he's out of options and may someday be a competent left handed starter (those guys don't grow on trees) but we have to get more depth. I would switch out Vasquez for Morin or Eades.Start with Morin since he's been competent at the big league level before and go to Eades if he or someone else fails or gets hurt. 

 

Here's the big elephant in the room - we're going to need to go to an 8 man bullpen sooner rather than later. We just don't have the starters to soak up innings - a 6 inning start is the goal for all of them except Berrios. Lots of bullpen innings. Let's watch the lineup. I would expect more ABs for Astudillo and Cave. This is a tryout for which one goes down next week for that 8th reliever.No bueno last night - Astudillo 0-4, 6 for his last 25 with a .240/.266/.400 (.696) over his last last week (25 ABs). Bloom is coming off the rose. Cave 1-2 with 2BBs last night, 4-14 in the last week, .286/.444/.357 (.801) for the last 7 games. Nice OPS but where's the power? Bummer that LA Tortuga night is 4/26.... I still say keep both and DFA Adrianza but I don't see that happening.  


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:45 AM

 

A bit early on to be pushing panic buttons.I do remember saying that there would be a lot of heartbreaking late inning losses this year.One.

 

This would be loss number 2 that was blown by the pen.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:54 AM

Garver is awful behind the plate.


Concur. I want to squint and see good things because his bat is infinitely better than Castro.

To quote Platoon from last year, it looks like Garver's holding a frying pan instead of a glove.
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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:12 AM

 

Concur. I want to squint and see good things because his bat is infinitely better than Castro.

To quote Platoon from last year, it looks like Garver's holding a frying pan instead of a glove.

A cast iron one, at that.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:20 AM

A bit early on to be pushing panic buttons. I do remember saying that there would be a lot of heartbreaking late inning losses this year. One.


Of course, we are basing these opinions on history too, not just this year. I don't get how that isn't clear. So, no, it isn't really to assess some of these pitchers.

It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:26 AM

This loss stunk, plain and simple. Very disappointing to blow a SP performance and lead like that. Too much I like to copy and paste so going to hit a few topics.

1] Mejia was, may yet be, a SP. He's used to facing batters from both sides of the plate. The LH arguement doesn't really work in this case. [Resting arms and using what is available].

2] What I don't understand is a fresh Harper pitching well and not going out for the next inning.

3] The pen is short. Period. But Molitor would use his top arms down by 3 runs in hope of a comeback. In the great scheme that is a 162 game season, Rocco appears to be willing to take chances or give up a game here and there for the bigger picture. It stinks, but you simply can't win them all.

4] I am not sold on Perez even a bit at this point, good ST or not. But that was a NICE game he pitched! I like this rotation a whole lot better with another arm equal to Gibson or Pineda with Odorizzi or Perez as the 5th guy, but that was nice.

5] Not speaking to anyone/post in particular, but we can't "generally" praise Garver for defensive growth and helping Berrios work through a game where he didn't have his best stuff, and then blame Garver for Mejia not having his best stuff. Sometimes guys just have bad games and your team loses.
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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:48 AM

Shocking. When you do nothing to address the weakest part of your team all off season and then they prove to be the weakest link of the team already this early in the season. This is what pisses me off about this FO/Owner. Spend the damn money to put together a real team and we could be running away with this thing already.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:52 AM

First blown save of the season for any Twins reliever.Just the 2nd loss credited to the pen.

 

Fortunately it has been the bullpen reserves that are struggling and not the "go to" relievers.Continue to give Mejia and Vasquez chances, they will come around.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 11:28 AM

The problem with the Twins bullpen is that too many guys are being asked to fill a role that is probably a step higher than they are capable of at this point. Parker would be fine as a 7th or 8th inning guy, but there is no way he should be pitching the 9th of close games. Mejia and Harper should be pitching in the 5th or 6th inning when the starter gets knocked out early, not the 7th or 8th of a close game. Adding a capable 9th inning guy would help to shift guys to roles where they would be better suited.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 12:01 PM

If I remember correctly the majority of this board bashed the hell out of Molitor by over working the top bullpen guys early in the season to see them falter towards the end.Now we are bashing Rocco for not over using the top guys early in the season....

 

That being said....Meija needs to get his sh...stuff together.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 12:46 PM

 

I never understand why when a reliever is dealing it like Harper was tonight, why the manager doesn't let him just keep dealing. He only threw 15 pitches and hasn't pitched forever and could have easily gone another inning. Ride the relievers that are doing well while they're doing well. 

 

I was watching the game with my wife and basically said the same thing, telling her they should let Harper keep pitching since he looked so good. She told me I didn't know what I was talking about and that Mejia was coming in since he was already warming up. I took offense to her questioning my brilliant baseball mind :-), argued with her, and made some grandiose statements that if I was coaching our older sons college team they would be winning their conference and our younger sons high school team would be going to the playoffs if I was in charge. During the next half inning I had to go pick up our daughter from work and I got a text from her "Guess who's in the game pitching jackass" So I sat waiting for my daughter watching the game slip away on my phone and thinking about how I was going to rub it in for how right I was. Strangely it didn't feel good being right and man I wish they had won that game. Any time she questions me again for the rest of the season, I'm gonna have that one in my back pocket to use on her.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 01:01 PM

Any time she questions me again for the rest of the season, I'm gonna have that one in my back pocket to use on her.


I can't advise against this course of action strongly enough. Just enjoy your victory. (looks over shoulders for own wife's peering eyes). quietly.
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Posted 16 April 2019 - 02:02 PM

Hildenberger has pitched 5.1 innings in 8 outings. Three of those outings lasted one batter. Five of those outings he pitched 8 pitches or less. I don't consider that "overworked." 


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 02:05 PM

If last night was the bullpens turn for the B squad, I guess today is the offense's turn to rest.No Cruz, Cron, Schoop, or Garver.

 

Astudillo and Marwin Gonzalez batting 4 and 5.....gross.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 02:06 PM

 

I can't advise against this course of action strongly enough. Just enjoy your victory. (looks over shoulders for own wife's peering eyes). quietly.

I have to agree. Even when you're right, you're still wrong.

 

I remember the last time that I was "right". We were debating about a paint color in our master bath. I insisted that she wasn't going to like the shade of blue that she chose. She believed that she would, so that's what we went with. We got done painting it, she even slept on it over night, and then the next morning admitted to me that I was right - she didn't like the color. My reward was having to repaint the bathroom by myself.

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#56 TFRazor

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 02:47 PM

 

The top thing I was worried about was Rocco’s injury history as a player and it seems to be playing out exactly as I feared.
He is deathly afraid of overworking anyone because his career was derailed by injuries so he is babying everyone, giving them days off when it’s not needed when they’ve all had plenty of days off already.

I'm sorry but this is a completely ludicrous statement. I'm hoping I'm just misinterpreting what you're saying but if I'm not your assertion is that since Rocco's career was hampered due to injury, he's less likely to push guys since he doesn't want them injured... This makes no logical sense

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 02:57 PM

 

The problem with the Twins bullpen is that too many guys are being asked to fill a role that is probably a step higher than they are capable of at this point. Parker would be fine as a 7th or 8th inning guy, but there is no way he should be pitching the 9th of close games. Mejia and Harper should be pitching in the 5th or 6th inning when the starter gets knocked out early, not the 7th or 8th of a close game. Adding a capable 9th inning guy would help to shift guys to roles where they would be better suited.

This. Applies to everyone except Rogers. Parker is a 7/8 inning guy, not a closer. Hildenberger is a backup crucial situation/6/7th inning guy, not a late inning "go to" in critical situations. May is a 6th/7th inning second setup guy, not the primary setup guy (that's Parker). Mejia is a 4th inning on long man on his way to being your 4th or 5th starter in the coming years. Harper is a 6/7th inning guy who will have his ups and downs. Vasquez is a best reliever on your AAA club/end of the MLB BP/occasional LOOGY/first one up from AAA guy you hope to develop. 

 

Adding a capable late inning guy would help all of these guys. Kimbrel makes me nervous but I don't see anyone else out there to be that guy. Reed was supposed to be that but I think he's toast and Magill (see Mejia or May) and Moya (see Vasquez)aren't the real answer.All I can hope for is that maybe Harper will be that guy and Parker will step up into the closer role. 


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 03:10 PM

 

Missed the game as I was watching the Game of Thrones episode recorded last night....but reading the summary, it appers the walkers from beyond the north wall got to the Twins bullpen?

 

Twins haven't had too many games where everything is working. In both wins and losses there have been some poor performances (starters, bullpen, or offense).

 

The good news: if it all comes together, this team can be really good.

 

Is the shine coming off Astudillo a bit? 0 for his last 10 or something? His last hit was against de Grom if I recall correctly.

Well, no ones comparing him to Ty Cobb anymore.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 03:15 PM

 

Mejia not having options is going to mean that they keep throwing him out there. Hes got another 3 or 4 weeks of this before he shows he can be effective out of the bullpen or test waivers. Meanwhile, Nick Anderson and Nick Burdi are killing it for other teams. How about trying Eades and Reed before you lose them for nothing.

Burdi is hanging in there that's all. 50/50 we get him back. 


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 03:22 PM

 

37 games in 38 days.This bullpen will get exposed and there is nothing anyone can do about it.The frustration level of this group will accelerate over the coming days.We can afford Kimbrel easily for two years. He has to be interested based on this team's start.If he wants 4 or 5 years? That's a tough call because you will probably hate him the last two or three years of that contract.But, I say do it if you can get him for 4 or less.  

I say don't sign anyone who didn't make it to ST. 7 or 8 teams have no intention of contending, get a pen arm from one of them. Dangle Larnach, Mejia, and/or Trevor May.

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