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#21 DocBauer

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 09:30 PM

Gardenhire has some say in that decision, but all of those types of decisions will come from on top with opinions taken from all over. I'm really impressed by the communication up and down the system, including (I think) with the players too. They'll find a way to keep them all playing and many of them will be made more versatile. Miranda got some time at SS this spring and that can be a good thing to keep his athleticism. May be wise to get Lewis some innings at 3B and in CF. Blankenhorn can play all over, one of the best athletes in the organization. Lineup construction from day-to-day will sure be interesting.


Appreciate the comments!

A couple questions to toss your way for comment/opinion.

1] There is obviously a TON of SS talent in the system now, from Polanco on down, but it seems they gave up on Miranda at the spot early on. Is that more about depth, or his growing out of the position, or just not having the range/hands?

2] When the Twins selected Blenkenhorn and Cabbage in the same draft, I thought they got a couple of great athletes who could be huge steals. (Steals being a relative term as they were fairly high slections). We have seen real flashes from Blenkenhorn, far less from Cabbage at this point. At this point, really interested to hear what you think about those two going forward.
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#22 Mike Sixel

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 10:07 PM

That would be fantastic... man, he looks great, clearly he put in a lot of work in the last year despite the injuries. He can hit too, didn't lose any of the power.


Let's hope so. They had the most money that year, and picked the wrong guy so far, by far.

It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


#23 Otwins

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 10:31 PM

I see Colina listed on the IL. What is his injury and how long is he out?

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#24 jrod23

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 06:38 AM

This is again a solid group of high draft picks. They could really knock the ball around, and out of the ballpark, while causing havoc on the bases with all that speed from Baddoo, Lewis, and Blank.
We’re actually heading down for the opening series. Should be fun.
With Blank and Cabbage, I thought the same as DocBauers. They both seem to be great athletes who happen to be really good at baseball, and not baseball players who happen to be really good athletes.

#25 Seth Stohs

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 08:48 AM

 

Appreciate the comments! A couple questions to toss your way for comment/opinion. 1] There is obviously a TON of SS talent in the system now, from Polanco on down, but it seems they gave up on Miranda at the spot early on. Is that more about depth, or his growing out of the position, or just not having the range/hands? 2] When the Twins selected Blenkenhorn and Cabbage in the same draft, I thought they got a couple of great athletes who could be huge steals. (Steals being a relative term as they were fairly high slections). We have seen real flashes from Blenkenhorn, far less from Cabbage at this point. At this point, really interested to hear what you think about those two going forward.

 

For Miranda it's about growing out of the position. Most think he's a natural third baseman. He's big and strong. He's done OK athletically at second base now as well. But obviously the depth is part of it too.

 

Blankenhorn and Cabbage are both really good athletes. Cabbage is bigger and probably stronger,, but there's been the swing and miss. Very capable at 1B and in the corner outfield spots. It'll be important for him to get off to a fast start. Blankenhorn being back in FM is probably as much about the numbers as anything. He's big, strong and fast. Not great defensively, but capable at 2B and 3B. Fair to say it's a big year for both though.

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 05:37 PM

 

Let's hope so. They had the most money that year, and picked the wrong guy so far, by far.

 

To put this into proper perspective:

 

1) The Twins clearly had a down year in 2013, with only Jose Martinez and Robert Molina still alive. But they spent their allotment, which has consistently been a source of skepticism for you and others. A few teams spent amounts close to the $2.9M the Twins spent. Texas spent $7.6M.

 

2) They sandwiched a tough year between two that might be pretty good, with Thorpe, Hu, and Quezada all still alive from 2012, and Graterol, Ynoa, Arias, Wells, and Moises Gomez still alive from 2014. We need to consider how few of these prospects pan out.

 

3) For example, the Yankees spent $8.8M in 2012 and $10.6M in 2014. In fact, they signed 10 of the top 20 ranked prospects in 2014. It's early but I don't believe a single one of the two dozen prospects from those years is on their roster, and very few of them even got non-roster invites to training camp. 

 

This is just to say the Twins may or may not have fumbled the ball with Lewin Diaz at $1.5M, but it's a slippery ball to begin with. Just ask the team who took a shot at Yasmani Tomas, about whom the Twins were roundly criticized for passing up, right?

 

The competitive landscape has vastly improved since 2013 because of the joint facility they now have in the DR. I think they're a player now.

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 06:34 PM

 

To put this into proper perspective:

 

1) The Twins clearly had a down year in 2013, with only Jose Martinez and Robert Molina still alive. But they spent their allotment, which has consistently been a source of skepticism for you and others. A few teams spent amounts close to the $2.9M the Twins spent. Texas spent $7.6M.

 

2) They sandwiched a tough year between two that might be pretty good, with Thorpe, Hu, and Quezada all still alive from 2012, and Graterol, Ynoa, Arias, Wells, and Moises Gomez still alive from 2014. We need to consider how few of these prospects pan out.

 

3) For example, the Yankees spent $8.8M in 2012 and $10.6M in 2014. In fact, they signed 10 of the top 20 ranked prospects in 2014. It's early but I don't believe a single one of the two dozen prospects from those years is on their roster, and very few of them even got non-roster invites to training camp. 

 

This is just to say the Twins may or may not have fumbled the ball with Lewin Diaz at $1.5M, but it's a slippery ball to begin with. Just ask the team who took a shot at Yasmani Tomas, about whom the Twins were roundly criticized for passing up, right?

 

The competitive landscape has vastly improved since 2013 because of the joint facility they now have in the DR. I think they're a player now.

 

That's the nature of signing 16-17 year olds. 

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 09:11 AM

 

To put this into proper perspective:

 

1) The Twins clearly had a down year in 2013, with only Jose Martinez and Robert Molina still alive. But they spent their allotment, which has consistently been a source of skepticism for you and others. A few teams spent amounts close to the $2.9M the Twins spent. Texas spent $7.6M.

 

2) They sandwiched a tough year between two that might be pretty good, with Thorpe, Hu, and Quezada all still alive from 2012, and Graterol, Ynoa, Arias, Wells, and Moises Gomez still alive from 2014. We need to consider how few of these prospects pan out.

 

3) For example, the Yankees spent $8.8M in 2012 and $10.6M in 2014. In fact, they signed 10 of the top 20 ranked prospects in 2014. It's early but I don't believe a single one of the two dozen prospects from those years is on their roster, and very few of them even got non-roster invites to training camp. 

 

This is just to say the Twins may or may not have fumbled the ball with Lewin Diaz at $1.5M, but it's a slippery ball to begin with. Just ask the team who took a shot at Yasmani Tomas, about whom the Twins were roundly criticized for passing up, right?

 

The competitive landscape has vastly improved since 2013 because of the joint facility they now have in the DR. I think they're a player now.

Bird, I read on MLBTR King Theo spend 16.4M on IFA in 2015. His prize signing, Eloy Jimenez, was then traded to the Pale Hose, for a back of the rotation starting pitcher. Last I looked, their farm system was the lowest rated in all of baseball.

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 09:14 AM

 

That's the nature of signing 16-17 year olds. 

Mike Radcliff said on Inside Twins, you need to start following them at 14, or it's too late.

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#30 Mike Sixel

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 09:58 AM

Most of them have agreements in place when they are 14 or 15....

 

And, not really on the "nature" of signing them. Turns out that the rankings hold some merit. And my distaste for signing a 1B/DH is not hindsight......

 

Whatever, the roster looks decent, and I hope Diaz turns out to be a player, but I have my doubts.

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It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


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Posted 03 April 2019 - 07:24 PM

With a roster this nice looking I can't fixate on one miss from a few years ago.

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 10:43 PM

 

Mike Radcliff said on Inside Twins, you need to start following them at 14, or it's too late.

 

No question. 


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Posted 04 April 2019 - 11:22 AM

 

1) The Twins clearly had a down year in 2013, with only Jose Martinez and Robert Molina still alive. 

 

Wow, that was a rough year. My condolences to all those we lost . :(

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Posted 04 April 2019 - 11:24 AM

 

Bird, I read on MLBTR King Theo spend 16.4M on IFA in 2015. His prize signing, Eloy Jimenez, was then traded to the Pale Hose, for a back of the rotation starting pitcher. Last I looked, their farm system was the lowest rated in all of baseball.

 

So then isn't your argument that had the Twins gone overslot and paid the penalty they could have had Eloy Jimenez?

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 07:14 AM

 

So then isn't your argument that had the Twins gone overslot and paid the penalty they could have had Eloy Jimenez?

 

 

That's a different argument, based on whether you agree or disagree with an ethical decision to abide by an agreement clearly meant to hold teams to spending limits. It would not have been going overslot. It would have been unethically breaching an agreement because paying the penalties was of greater value to you than being ethical.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 10:20 AM

 

That's a different argument, based on whether you agree or disagree with an ethical decision to abide by an agreement clearly meant to hold teams to spending limits. It would not have been going overslot. It would have been unethically breaching an agreement because paying the penalties was of greater value to you than being ethical.

 

If the rules had actually been meant to hold teams to spending limits there wouldn't have been penalties in the first place because there wouldn't have been the option of going overslot. There was no breached agreement, if there was, teams would have been forced to relinquish the rights to the prospects, as the Braves were forced to last year when they actually were in violation of International Signing rules.

 

It was no different than going over the salary cap luxury tax threshold. Plenty of teams (used to) do that.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:43 PM

Anyone know why Colina is on the IL?




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