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#21 Tom Froemming

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 05:47 PM

 

Was Rosario's at-bat when he had the 3-0 count as bad as it looked on Gameday?

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 05:54 PM

Is something wrong with Buxton's legs? Why didn't he steal third so he could score on a fly? Hand appeared to me to have a rather slow delivery.

If anyone could take third in that situation, it’s Buxton. But if anyone’s able to score on a blooper, it’s also Buxton. I agree not to steal, because the throw from home to third is only 90 feet, and Buxton is going to score on anything that lands in the outfield grass whether he starts on second or third. I don’t think the benefit of stealing outweighs the risk in that spot.

The problem was that Kepler didn’t find a way to get him over.

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 05:57 PM

Honestly that 9th inning double by Buxton was a gift. He should be 1 for 6, and looks a lot like Buxton.


Physically, yes, he looks a lot like Byron Buxton. But he looks nothing like the wigged out kid from the last couple springs. Mainly, he can tell a ball from a strike, and he has been hitting the ball with some authority.
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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:00 PM

Twins went up against arguably the 2 best starters in the central and split. We put out two pitchers that stood toe to toe with Kluber/Bauer. Tip o' the Cap to Jose and Hodor...

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:01 PM

 

Garver's pitch framing was not what I would call good. I count 7 pitches in the zone that were called balls, and only 2 pitches out of the zone that were called strikes. That's hardly magician level sleight-of-glove. Still, I do like his new one-knee stance. He looks athletic and relaxed that way. 

 

That is exactly why umpires still calling balls and strikes is bogus. Did you see that curve that Kepler took that was in the middle of the zone and a good 3 to 4 inches up from the bottom of the zone? And Cuzzi called it a ball on Bauer? Poor umpiring is the reason for most bad calls, and yet, people want to make up a fake stat like pitch framing. This can only be fixed one way, and you know how that is. It is not the catcher.... it is the umpire.

 

The whole premise of pitch framing is to cheat the reality of what happened. It is time to get balls and strikes right, without trying to cheat.

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:03 PM

Oh yeah.. Libera a la Tortuga

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:06 PM

 

With Phil Cuzzi’a strikezone today I don’t know how you can evaluate the catcher framing with any seriousness. Both sides were fooled multiple times by unexpected ball/strike calls.

 

Cuzzi can't see balls and strikes any better than he can see the foul line!

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:07 PM

I think it's a bit early to worry about any of the hitters after facing Kluber and Bauer. IMO Bauer is going to have a huge year.

 

Also, methinks Mejia is going to do a good job in the bullpen. He's proven to be able to take MLB hitters down, and now with the problem of facing hitters for the 2nd or 3rd time in the rotation is gone, he's done to do well for himself in the pen.

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:10 PM

I like Parker, but he’s not the type of guy I want in a high leverage situation. Shoulda saved Rogers (or May) for the 9th...
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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:10 PM

 

That is exactly why umpires still calling balls and strikes is bogus. Did you see that curve that Kepler took that was in the middle of the zone and a good 3 to 4 inches up from the bottom of the zone? And the ump called it a ball on Bauer? Poor umpiring is the reason for most bad calls, and yet, people want to make up a fake stat like pitch framing. This can only be fixed one way, and you know how that is. It is not the catcher.... it is the umpire.

That was horrendous. I am 100% pro robotic strike zone, but until we get that, framing is most definitely a skill. It doesn't show up on every pitch, umpires definitely just make bad calls on their own, but there are things catchers can do to help or hurt themselves. 

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:16 PM

H20face is spot on, pitch framing is tricking the Umpire into doing a worse job than he already is doing... Take the human error and EGO out of the calling of Balls/Strikes for the good of the Game. Still gonna be Umpires, nobody gonna starve...

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:21 PM

 

 

This looks bad?

 

 

Nope, :).The tracker I was watching showed pitch 4 was outside and in the dirt.  

 

So I've learned no to take that tracker seriously!

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:24 PM

This loss is on Baldelli. Time to enroll in manager's school.
Cluster F*** of bad or no decisions in the bottom of both the 7th and 9th by the rookie manager.
Should have had a quicker hook on Parker in the top of the 9th.
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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:40 PM

 

 

Here's a look back at Garver's first game catching Odorizzi last year. I'd say it's a pretty significant improvement, and it's not like I'm cherry picking his worst game or anything. 

 
That's my biggest concern with Garver. He doesn't need to be some strike-stealing wizard back, he just needs to get the pitches in the zone called strikes.

Second, you can't really expect to get calls on the black. Here's every called ball Odorizzi threw last season. There are so many balls called on the black that you can't even barely see the black anymore. 

 
When I look at the info from today, I see two balls down at the bottom that were in the zone, but I also see three called strikes that were definitely outside the zone. Everything else, to me, looks like it's on the black. Some he got strikes, others he got balls. But this is most definitely all subjective, so certainly take a look and form your own opinion.

 

Tom, those charts are amazing, and revealing. If this trend continues, the Twins might wind up with the whole starting rotation competing for most K's in the season! 

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:45 PM

“Even just beyond the numbers, is Mejia really the guy you want pitching in a tie game with the go-ahead run on base when you have a fresh bullpen?”

Absolutely! It’s called showing confidence. Mejia isn’t going anywhere. He’s probably going to have to pitch some important innings. If the manager isn’t going to use him, he shouldn’t be on the team. The LAST thing I am going to do is criticize Baldelli for using a “lesser” reliever against the lower part of the order of a bad offensive team when I CRUCIFIED Molitor for using the same two or three guys all the time the last three years.
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Posted 30 March 2019 - 06:46 PM

Strange not to PH for Kepler. Also, I know it's not typically done, but since we have 3 catchers, maybe put Castro in for the 9th given that Garver had just batted and Parker throws a splitter?


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Posted 30 March 2019 - 07:02 PM

Why bring Austin North, if you don't use him? Same with Astudillo? I like Kepler, but that's why those two are on the roster.

And, yes, Mejia should be in there. In a month or two, he'll be a starter when Parker is cut.
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Posted 30 March 2019 - 07:24 PM

 

That is exactly why umpires still calling balls and strikes is bogus. Did you see that curve that Kepler took that was in the middle of the zone and a good 3 to 4 inches up from the bottom of the zone? And Cuzzi called it a ball on Bauer? Poor umpiring is the reason for most bad calls, and yet, people want to make up a fake stat like pitch framing. This can only be fixed one way, and you know how that is. It is not the catcher.... it is the umpire.

 

The whole premise of pitch framing is to cheat the reality of what happened. It is time to get balls and strikes right, without trying to cheat.

 WOOF that was a bad call. Did you know, Phil Cuzzy once called a double "foul" during the playoffs?

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 07:55 PM

A couple of thoughts on decisions that had a major influence on the outcome. First, I think Parker will be a decent bullpen arm, but there is no way he should be pitching the 9th inning of a tied game. Second, I just don't understand letting Kepler swing away with Buxton on second and no outs. Either Kepler should have been bunting or Astudillo should have replaced him. At that point in the game advancing Buxton was the only thing that mattered and if there is one thing Astudillo can do it is put the ball in play (with Buxton's speed any ball in play has a pretty good chance of letting him advance to third).

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 07:55 PM

TIME FOR SOME EDUCATION:
Extra batting practice for all Twin's Batters.
Extra bullpen sessions on control for Parker.
Extra bullpen sessions for Garver on blocking pitches.
Extra course for Baldelli on the use of the sacrifice.
Extra course for Baldelli on the use of the stolen base.
Extra course for Baldelli on when to yank a pitcher.
Extra course for Baldelli on the use of pinch hitters off of the bench.
Extra course for Baldelli on playing small ball for a single run.
Extra course for Derek Shelton on speaking up when the Manager is WRONG.
Extra course on Instructions to hitters for Rowson and Hernandez.
Extra course on the selection and use of relievers for BOTH Baldelli and Bullpen Coach



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