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#21 yarnivek1972

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:19 PM

Why would you automatically assume that every team would just call up a minor leaguer for the 26th spot? Seems to me like that's about as likely to go to a free agent as any other. Speaking of which, there are a couple of pitchers still on the market that would make great 26th men if the rules were effective immediately.


By definition, anyone not in the majors is a minor leaguer. So, anyway you slice it next year there will be 30 guys in the majors that would otherwise be in the minors.
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Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:20 PM

 

30 guys making $600 K (or whatever minimum is these days) isn’t quite the same as basically every team rostering a loogy type for $2-3 mil or more.

As for it being a “joint announcement”, that’s kinda meaningless. MLB can implement changes with a year’s notice per the current agreement so the MLBPA has no choice but to aquiesce.

Hard to say what those 30 players would be making.That number 30 spot could be an 8M DH\Pinch hitter or a 4M platoon partner.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:20 PM

I like the rule changes, but even more than that, I like the collaboration between the owners and the players. This seems like a huge step in avoiding a strike, I would have thought both sides would have been waiving these changes around like weapons in an attempt to score a better deal in the upcoming CBA.

 

It almost makes me think the owners have already let it be known to the MLBPA that they're aware the current economic situation is crap and the players will get a bigger piece of the pie in the next CBA.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:30 PM

Game 7, game is on the line.Your new pitcher can't find the strike zone.Bases loaded.

 

Without the August waiver trades, teams will likely decide to sell earlier.Fringe teams that might have given it one last chance and then tried to sell a couple pieces at the waiver deadline will be facing a sell now or miss the opportunity entirely scenario.Seems like MLB should want the most trades possible so that the playoffs have as many good players as possible.This also opens up scenarios where 1st place teams cannot get emergency help if a key injury occurs in August.A team might be all but clinched but suddenly without their star player, then you have a dead team in the playoffs.This is the rule that makes the least sense to me, who benefits and how?


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:47 PM

Game 7, game is on the line.Your new pitcher can't find the strike zone.Bases loaded.

Viewers hate pitching changes and will tune out if you allow a substitution. :)

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:49 PM

Game 7, game is on the line.Your new pitcher can't find the strike zone.Bases loaded.
 
Without the August waiver trades, teams will likely decide to sell earlier.Fringe teams that might have given it one last chance and then tried to sell a couple pieces at the waiver deadline will be facing a sell now or miss the opportunity entirely scenario.Seems like MLB should want the most trades possible so that the playoffs have as many good players as possible.This also opens up scenarios where 1st place teams cannot get emergency help if a key injury occurs in August.A team might be all but clinched but suddenly without their star player, then you have a dead team in the playoffs.This is the rule that makes the least sense to me, who benefits and how?


Certainty this rule will force teams to pick a direction earlier. They won't be able to hedge their bets as easily by using the waiver/trade rules in August. As far as injury replacements go, teams just may need to be sure they have quality reinforcements in the minors. Waiver pickups will still be available as well. I think teams may be forced to be a little more active before the July 31 trade deadline. I doubt if that is a bad thing.
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Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:50 PM

 

Game 7, game is on the line.Your new pitcher can't find the strike zone.Bases loaded.

 

I'd think they need to add the stipulation that if you DFA a guy mid-inning obviously someone else has to come in to pitch.

 

If the GM goes to the mound to give the guy the news, does that count as a mound visit though?

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:53 PM

 

This was a joint announcement from the MLB and MLBPA, they've already agreed to the new rules. It is unfortunate for relief specialists, but there will be 30 more players collecting a big league check starting in 2020, a huge victory for the players.

 

Of course, A LOT less players will be called up in September.......

 

but, more than 1 player will get that extra roster spot, due to injuries and shuttling......It is an interesting trade off.

 

IMO, more players get more real time in the majors, but less players get September time. The total number of days in the majors is probably similar, but they are spread among less players (though still more than 1 player per team).

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:54 PM

 

I like the rule changes, but even more than that, I like the collaboration between the owners and the players. This seems like a huge step in avoiding a strike, I would have thought both sides would have been waiving these changes around like weapons in an attempt to score a better deal in the upcoming CBA.

 

It almost makes me think the owners have already let it be known to the MLBPA that they're aware the current economic situation is crap and the players will get a bigger piece of the pie in the next CBA.

 

the union has already said it did not agree to the three batter minimum.....but on other things, yes, it's likely a good sign.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:13 PM

 

This also opens up scenarios where 1st place teams cannot get emergency help if a key injury occurs in August.A team might be all but clinched but suddenly without their star player, then you have a dead team in the playoffs.  

 

Teams have until July 31st to prepare for all possibilities. 

 

If a team does not have suitable replacements on their roster come August 1st. It will be the GM's fault.

 

Just the same as if a GM rosters a LOOGY and spends the year moaning that his LOOGY has to face 3 batters miniumum which includes right-handers who routinely light him up. 

 

The rules will be in place... The GM"s must adjust to the rules or work at a significant disadvantage to the other GM's who adjusted to the rules. Sticking to yesterday's roster management in today's world is generally a bad idea.:)  

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:15 PM

 

Viewers hate pitching changes and will tune out if you allow a substitution. :)

Have you ever tuned out after a pitching change?It doesn't take that long, about 2 minutes?People with attention spans that low probably aren't going to like baseball to begin with.


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:15 PM

Per an article on Yahoo, it is 13 pitchers max until September then 14.

https://www.yahoo.co...-152243554.html
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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:24 PM

 

Have you ever tuned out after a pitching change?It doesn't take that long, about 2 minutes?People with attention spans that low probably aren't going to like baseball to begin with.

 

I'm almost certain you missed some sarcasm....

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:24 PM

I support the 26-man roster if they limit pitchers to 13 spots.

 

During the past 30+ years, pitching staffs have increased from 10 to 13 for most teams. There are now 8 RP to choose from in the late innings, while the team on offense has 3 PH options. Most of the time, the three PH include a backup C, OF, and a UT player. Hardly a fair battle of managerial strategy. 

 

For competitive teams, it will probably be a veteran. For a struggling team, it might be a prospect. In any case, it will give the offense another tool in late innings.

 

Here's an article that contains a handy set of graphs showing changes in age and roster use during the past 100 years.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:26 PM

Why don't they address replay?I can't stand watching the manager stand at the top step, while the umpires stare at him for 30 seconds while some other coach watches TV.   

 

I was in favor of replay if it meant not having to watch Gardy argue (incorrectly time & time again) for 2 minutes.The "Gardy Replay Rule" should eliminate time consuming arguments, not take up more time by waiting 30 seconds just to go to commercial because they're not going to challenge.  

 

Like the additional roster spot, hate the 3 Batter minimum.That fundamentally changes strategies.Plus, a RP that "just doesn't have it" can blow a lead pretty easily in 3 batters.  

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:28 PM

 

 

Teams have until July 31st to prepare for all possibilities. 

 

If a team does not have suitable replacements on their roster come August 1st. It will be the GM's fault.

 

Just the same as if a GM rosters a LOOGY and spends the year moaning that his LOOGY has to face 3 batters miniumum which includes right-handers who routinely light him up. 

 

The rules will be in place... The GM"s must adjust to the rules or work at a significant disadvantage to the other GM's who adjusted to the rules. Sticking to yesterday's roster management in today's world is generally a bad idea.:)  

Saying that a GM should always have a suitable replacement for a star level player might be a stretch.Especially considering the disparity of payrolls around the league.Tampa Bay can't reasonably have an answer to losing a star player in August.Doesn't seem like you have an answer for who benefits from ditching the August waiver deadline.

 

The 3 batter rule is designed to eliminate a strategy so GMs making an adjustment is really a backwards step.Doesn't really have anything to do with the quoted trade deadline comment either.I think it opens the door for those moments when you realize oh this pitcher clearly doesn't have it tonight.Guess we are stuck with him for at least 3 batters.Might suck for those end of game or playoff scenarios when you always want someone ready in relief.


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:28 PM

 

the union has already said it did not agree to the three batter minimum.....but on other things, yes, it's likely a good sign.

I wonder if this is one of those things that might change back quickly. I can imagine that there might be a lot of pushback by fans if they have to watch their own pitcher implode for 3 batters. Is it really a good thing for the game if a pitcher walks the first batter on 4 pitches and then gets booed by his own fans for 2 more batters as he is struggling to find the zone? Does that speed up the game at all? A new pitcher will need to enter that game anyway. 

 

Also, it probably isn't a good look if a bunch of pitchers get "injured" mid-batter or something in order to get another pitcher in the game. 

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:28 PM

I’m all for the roster rules changes. The three batter minimum and position player pitching rules are only baffling to me. Forcing a guy who doesn’t have it that night to stay in will only make games longer. A lot of LOOGY will lose their job also.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:29 PM

 

 

I'm almost certain you missed some sarcasm....

I did because it seems Manfred actually believes people tune out like this. 

Edited by SomeGuy, 14 March 2019 - 01:29 PM.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 01:37 PM

 

 

Certainty this rule will force teams to pick a direction earlier. They won't be able to hedge their bets as easily by using the waiver/trade rules in August. As far as injury replacements go, teams just may need to be sure they have quality reinforcements in the minors. Waiver pickups will still be available as well. I think teams may be forced to be a little more active before the July 31 trade deadline. I doubt if that is a bad thing.

I think it is ultimately a bad thing if a team has to call up someone from AAA to replace an elite player especially near playoff time.At least they could try to land a decent player in the old system.

 

At the end of August you are over 150 games in, one big injury can cripple a lot of teams.That team could already be in a position to clinch a spot and you now have a weak team in the playoffs.It could also mean one less team fighting for those last spots.The later deadline was a nice emergency plan for anything that you really can't plan for.

 

I don't see the positive in this rule change.

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