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#581 gunnarthor

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 07:27 AM

https://www.politico...den-2020-226872

 

Interesting read about Joe Biden's popularity in the Dem field.

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:09 PM

 

https://www.politico...den-2020-226872

 

Interesting read about Joe Biden's popularity in the Dem field.

 

We'll see if he can hold the position.But when progressives/liberals dismissed him time and time again, told us all that his time has past, etc.

 

You sorta have to concede you read that wrong.Maybe you'll still be ultimately be right, but so far that wing of the left has been very wrong about Biden.Perhaps there is a deeper error at work than something as simple as "it's all name recognition".

 

I think there is, but we'll see what happens as the debates fire up.I really like that comment in the article about how fear drives people to be risk-averse.That is a very poignant observation.

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#583 Mike Sixel

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:17 PM

Rip Roe. And people still won't vote.

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:24 PM

 

Rip Roe. And people still won't vote.

 

I hear people argue it's a "state's rights" issue.Screw that.  

 

If that's true let's make the same penalties for firing a gun in another state.See how that holds up.When people celebrate things like this for "their side" they are truly undermining the basic foundations of our Republic.It's repulsive and it damn well better be a rallying cry the Dems beat over and over again.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:28 PM

Electoral College is wrong... It is state's rights over one vote per person..... As long as it exists, we'll have these problems.

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:31 PM

 

Electoral College is wrong... It is state's rights over one vote per person..... As long as it exists, we'll have these problems.

 

That's some impressive gymnastics to pull the electoral college into that argument.....

 

Sorry, but that's not a particularly close issue to this one.


#587 Mike Sixel

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:35 PM

That's some impressive gymnastics to pull the electoral college into that argument.....

Sorry, but that's not a particularly close issue to this one.


Given who won the popular vote.... It totally caused this. And it is about states mattering, as if those are somehow important in a national election.

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 08:45 PM

 

Given who won the popular vote.... It totally caused this. And it is about states mattering, as if those are somehow important in a national election.

 

The right has been working their way up to this kind of legislation for decades.This is a long game plan that is evil, it really is.But it is totally unrelated to the Electoral College.  

 

States rights are an important part of our Republic, but this isn't states rights.Those citing that as their reason are bastardizing what that means to apply it here.  


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 11:56 PM

 

Rip Roe. And people still won't vote.

The Alabama law, and even the Georgia law, are beyond the pale. I saw tweet earlier that even Billy Graham believed the Alabama law would be overturned. 

 

Outlawing abortion would entrench a class of poverty in perpetuity.This is not about religion, it is class warfare.  


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:01 AM

I think Biden's support among minorities will erode as it becomes more prominent his role in the 90s crime bill.I see no reason to support the man, beyond Obama good feels and risk-aversion/cynicism.

 

Biden's establishment, deal-making history worries he may safe-guard certain constituencies prior to the primaries ala Clinton, exactly the kind of thing the Democratic party should resist after 2016.  

 

We make too much of the polls at this time, only the political junkies (like us) are paying attention, and only us are trying to thread the nuance.When the debates, and esp. the primaries start, we'll see how the candidates actually stand among the voting public.

 

But please god not Biden. 

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:02 AM

 We make too much of the polls at this time, only the political junkies (like us) are paying attention, and only us are trying to thread the nuance.When the debates, and esp. the primaries start, we'll see how the candidates actually stand among the voting public.

Agree. It’s too early. This time in 2015, Trump was still a joke candidate; this time in 2011, Rick Perry was going to enter the race and all the competition would scurry away like scared animals; and so on.
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Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:53 AM

 

Agree. It’s too early. This time in 2015, Trump was still a joke candidate; this time in 2011, Rick Perry was going to enter the race and all the competition would scurry away like scared animals; and so on.

 

You are absolutely right, but that wasn't the point of the article.

 

Many further left people told us Biden was dead in the water now.That was clearly wrong, so the question is.....why were they so wrong?And is that mistake one that we should be wary of?

 

Perhaps he goes the way of Rick Perry.Perhaps not.But he's clearly relevant now and there is a large appetite for him as a candidate right now.

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 09:21 AM

You are absolutely right, but that wasn't the point of the article.
 
Many further left people told us Biden was dead in the water now.That was clearly wrong, so the question is.....why were they so wrong?And is that mistake one that we should be wary of?
 
Perhaps he goes the way of Rick Perry.Perhaps not.But he's clearly relevant now and there is a large appetite for him as a candidate right now.

I’m surprised, I will admit it. But I think a big part of the reason is what the other poster mentioned, that ordinary people aren’t paying attention and he has name recognition. Also, he is a candidate for the status quo and “reaching across the aisle.” That would appeal to a lot of general voters but maybe not the primaries.

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 10:44 AM

 

I’m surprised, I will admit it. But I think a big part of the reason is what the other poster mentioned, that ordinary people aren’t paying attention and he has name recognition. Also, he is a candidate for the status quo and “reaching across the aisle.” That would appeal to a lot of general voters but maybe not the primaries.

 

The evidence being cited is primary voters, so that doesn't appear to be true.That may change, but right now Democrat primary voters are in his camp.  

 

Also, I'd argue people are rarely paying close attention.I'm not sure if an extra spotlight will matter, winning elections is more about speaking to what people really want.And what many people seem to really want is a guarantee Trump loses.

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 02:17 PM

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#596 Craig Arko

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 02:48 PM

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 07:44 PM

 

The Alabama law, and even the Georgia law, are beyond the pale. I saw tweet earlier that even Billy Graham believed the Alabama law would be overturned. 

 

Outlawing abortion would entrench a class of poverty in perpetuity.This is not about religion, it is class warfare.  

Class warfare? Yeah, partly. It's more than just that, though. There is a higher target than that in this war.

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 09:24 AM

 

Class warfare? Yeah, partly. It's more than just that, though. There is a higher target than that in this war.

I didn't mean to suggest that at the exclusion of women; but the burden of being compelled to give birth will have such a outsized effect on poor women that will entrench them and their children in poverty.That there's a war on women is absolutely implicit (to the point of obviousness) and essential to what I was saying.

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 09:26 AM

 

I didn't mean to suggest that at the exclusion of women; but the burden of being compelled to give birth will have such a outsized effect on poor women that will entrench them and their children in poverty.That there's a war on women is absolutely implicit (to the point of obviousness) and essential to what I was saying.

I think the answer is obvious. Long jail terms for any man who impregnates a woman unwantedly.

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 01:06 PM

 

I think the answer is obvious. Long jail terms for any man who impregnates a woman unwantedly.

 

Sterilize everyone has always been my (only partly) tongue-in-cheek response.License people to breed.  

 

We step ever closer!