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#41 TheLeviathan

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 08:12 PM

 

Who is the Coulter and Rush of the left?

 

 

Twitter.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:04 PM

 

Twitter.

I think social media group think alone is less dangerous than the directed efforts of a few talkingheads with a wide audience who work at the direction of their corporate masters and who also have their own social media presence with some help from Russia. 

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#43 TheLeviathan

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:43 PM

 

I think social media group think alone is less dangerous than the directed efforts of a few talkingheads with a wide audience who work at the direction of their corporate masters and who also have their own social media presence with some help from Russia. 

 

I don't see how social media is any less a "wide audience".It's probably wider.  

 

Group think is always dangerous and we've had lots and lots of examples of how that works in social media already.I hope we don't get into a political pissing match that boils down to Rush vs. Twitter.

 

At that point if there's no Space Ark we're all screwed.


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:48 PM

 

I don't see how social media is any less a "wide audience".It's probably wider.  

 

Group think is always dangerous and we've had lots and lots of examples of how that works in social media already.I hope we don't get into a political pissing match that boils down to Rush vs. Twitter.

 

At that point if there's no Space Ark we're all screwed.

Straw men.No one's arguing against the effect of twitter.But I don't think twitter alone will equal all the monied influence on the right which uses social media, and every kind of media to better effect.


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:50 PM

 

Straw men.No one's arguing against the effect of twitter.But I don't think twitter alone will equal all the monied influence on the right which uses social media, and every kind of media to better effect.

 

They have used it to better effect.If social media becomes the bastion of the political left and Democrats, I'm not sure that will continue.

 

Again, purity tests for politics are the worst possible thing.I worry that's the drum beat I'm hearing as each candidate declares.  


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 10:11 PM

 

They have used it to better effect.If social media becomes the bastion of the political left and Democrats, I'm not sure that will continue.

 

Again, purity tests for politics are the worst possible thing.I worry that's the drum beat I'm hearing as each candidate declares.  

I just don't think that will be a thing, but there are of course will be some worry about fence sitters who enrich themselves by pandering to the left, ala Kerry and Clinton.  

 

Beto sounds a bit like Kerry, fairly charming, capable guy who marries into wealth.That said, Beto sounds articulate, authentic, and likable on a grand scale, and he might be a good messenger for what policy platform the democrats at large decide on; a lot of Bernie's policy was adopted during the Democratic Convention and Clinton played her part afterwards.  

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:07 AM

I think that Democrats tend to fail at branding. Obamacare should have been consistently referred to as "The Affordable Care Act." Instead, Democrats went along with calling it "Obamacare", which I think was not a good label. No one called "Social Security" "FDR Care."

 

I think that "Medicare for All" will likely be a loser. It reeks of government control and socialism. I would prefer a public option, so government could compete with private insurers and people could have a choice.I would call it "Medicare for Those Want It."

 


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:13 AM

I see that Beto appears to like the public option approach -- https://www.cnn.com/...aign/index.html


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 09:20 AM

I see that Beto appears to like the public option approach -- https://www.cnn.com/...aign/index.html


Basically the path I've suggested is most likely to work.

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 10:45 AM

 

Basically the path I've suggested is most likely to work.

 

Most likely to work as far as helping the system or most likely to get through Congress and become law?


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Posted 15 March 2019 - 10:47 AM

Most likely to work as far as helping the system or most likely to get through Congress and become law?


Both. As a step in a long process. Not the end game.
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Posted 15 March 2019 - 12:17 PM

 

I think that Democrats tend to fail at branding. Obamacare should have been consistently referred to as "The Affordable Care Act." Instead, Democrats went along with calling it "Obamacare", which I think was not a good label. No one called "Social Security" "FDR Care."

 

I think that "Medicare for All" will likely be a loser. It reeks of government control and socialism. I would prefer a public option, so government could compete with private insurers and people could have a choice.I would call it "Medicare for Those Want It."

I think in past election cycles you'd be absolutely right, but "Medicare for All", just as a label is widely popular (though when you break down the actual policy each piece of it is less popular).

 

That Obama didn't get a public option the first time around is a stain on his legacy.I'm tired of half-measures.If we use the public-option to grand father in, Medicare for All over a few years, that's fine. However, I think running on the public option inspires no one, and won't at all motivate the base, much less bring more people in. 

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 04:32 PM

 

Surprised to see Warren doing so well.

 

But I don't like how close any of those numbers are.


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Posted 18 March 2019 - 04:58 PM

Polls mean nothing right now. Jeb Bush was the front runner in 2015 at this time. Beto is largely unknown nationally, but I expect him to start gaining quickly.

I really think it will be between the newcomers.
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Posted 18 March 2019 - 06:30 PM

 

Polls mean nothing right now. Jeb Bush was the front runner in 2015 at this time. Beto is largely unknown nationally, but I expect him to start gaining quickly.

I really think it will be between the newcomers.

They don't but they are interesting fodder.But it is concerning that Trump's lack of approval isn't showing up in the polling for 2020...


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Posted 18 March 2019 - 07:10 PM

Concerning, but not surprising.This is why running a candidate just based on their policies (and how left they are) is unwise.  

 

Trump can still carry every single state he did last time unless the Democrats run someone who can change that.Winning has got to be priority number one - it's still an uphill climb at this point.


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Posted 18 March 2019 - 09:13 PM

 

Concerning, but not surprising.This is why running a candidate just based on their policies (and how left they are) is unwise.  

 

Trump can still carry every single state he did last time unless the Democrats run someone who can change that.Winning has got to be priority number one - it's still an uphill climb at this point.

The moderates aren't exactly killing it (beyond Biden, e.g. brand), Levi.I think it's premature to draw conclusions that favor our preferred narrative, just as of yet anyways.


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Posted 18 March 2019 - 09:16 PM

 

The moderates aren't exactly killing it (beyond Biden, e.g. brand), Levi.I think it's premature to draw conclusions that favor our preferred narrative, just as of yet anyways.

 

But you'll notice I didn't say that.If winning is going further left with a candidate - fine.If it's moderate - fine.The conclusion to draw from this is Trump is not ripe for defeat despite all his foolishness.  

 

Vet the candidates and choose the one that will win.Everything else can wait until after.

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#59 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 07:09 PM

 

He comes out and the first question is "Is he liberal enough" and not "can he win" = why we are likely to get four more years of Trump.

Honestly, I think Beto is a crap candidate because he's all flash.

 

If we're going with "electable and moderate", give me Klobuchar all day. At least the woman has both experience and the ability to actually, god forbid, accomplish something.

 

And I'm not even really a Klobuchar supporter (I like her quite a bit where she is).


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Posted 20 March 2019 - 07:17 PM

 

Beto sounds a bit like Kerry, fairly charming, capable guy who marries into wealth.

Let's take about five to ten percent off there, Squirelly Dan.*

John Kerry was charming? The guy who looks like a cheap Bed Bath & Beyond candle left burning over a long weekend while college students did keg stands on the patio?

 

*if you don't get the joke, watch Letterkenny... or just go watch Letterkenny, period