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#21 USAFChief

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 08:29 AM

 

I don’t know where you buy your meat. Good hot dogs cost about $1 per quarter pound dog, which is what most ballpark hot dogs weigh. Bun and average condiments prrobably about $.25. Whatever packaging is probably 2-3 cents per.

Of course, you also are paying for someone to make it and someone to bring it to your seat. Figure probably at least $1 worth of labor costs and $.25 for overhead costs like utilities, taxes, food licensing fees, etc. Your 40 cent hotdog now costs $2.25.

$1/hot dog??

 

A quick check of Schweigert hot dogs (at the Nicollet Mall Target) lists a package of 10 for $3.99.

 

$.40/hot dog.

 

 https://www.google.c...KHXeaD1IQ8gIIRg

 

Presumably buying wholesale in bulk would cost even less.

 

I don't think you'll find any regular hot dogs that weigh in a 1/4 pound, either, for that matter.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 08:56 AM

 

Yeah, I don't understand the point of whining about the price of a non essential service.
There is an easy solution if it's overpriced.
Plus, it's pretty much impossible for a non essential service or product to actually be overpriced. It's value is exactly what people are willing to pay for it, no more, no less. If the concessions truly are overpriced, they won't be for long, because not enough people will buy them, which will force them to lower prices.

Agreed, to an extent. I have some sympathy for concession price complaints because of the ballpark funding. I think the public gets a bit of a raw deal when we partially subsidize the activity, yet the team is allowed to set full "market price" for everything -- tickets, concessions, even TV broadcasts.

 

Also, the combination of high concession prices plus longer games puts families at a bit of a disadvantage, compared to the average fan. The average fan can deal with those factors by bringing in a sandwich and a bag of peanuts pretty easily. A family has to either bring in a ton of snacks, pay the high concession prices, and/or leave the game early. (On top of paying full freight for kid's tickets too -- the Twins have pretty well ended the longstanding practice of kids ticket discounts over the last couple years.)

 

So I don't mind a little grumbling about concession prices, although I usually focus my energy on spreading the gospel of outside food. :) If they ever try to ban outside food, though, I'll lead the revolt.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:22 AM

$1/hot dog??

A quick check of Schweigert hot dogs (at the Nicollet Mall Target) lists a package of 10 for $3.99.

$.40/hot dog.

https://www.google.c...KHXeaD1IQ8gIIRg

Presumably buying wholesale in bulk would cost even less.

I don't think you'll find any regular hot dogs that weigh in a 1/4 pound, either, for that matter.


Who’s talking about regular hot dogs? We’re talking about the hot dogs served at the ballpark.

From the Twins official website:

The quarter-pound all-beef Twins Big Dog will replace the hot dog formerly known as the Dome Dog and will be served at portable grills and select concessions stands throughout the stadium.

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 10:05 AM

 

Who’s talking about regular hot dogs? We’re talking about the hot dogs served at the ballpark.

From the Twins official website:

The quarter-pound all-beef Twins Big Dog will replace the hot dog formerly known as the Dome Dog and will be served at portable grills and select concessions stands throughout the stadium.

Not that it matters, but the hot dogs served at Target Field are Schweigert hot dogs.

 

"Big Dogs," "Dome Dogs," "Foot longs" etc, are obviously different.  

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 11:47 AM

 

Not that it matters, but the hot dogs served at Target Field are Schweigert hot dogs.

 

"Big Dogs," "Dome Dogs," "Foot longs" etc, are obviously different.  

Yup. The "value" priced offering this year is a plain Schweigert hot dog. $5 normally, but $4 at a couple select stands.


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 11:52 AM

Link to the new special pricing:

https://www.mlb.com/...essions-pricing

 

The best "values" from that list are probably the peanuts/popcorn ($3, down from $5 normally), and the 16 oz. soda for $2 (normal price $6.50 for 24 oz.). Those two items could come in handy, if you don't have a chance to bring your own snacks or get the free soda coupon with the "designated driver" pledge.


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Posted 14 March 2019 - 07:50 PM

Agreed, to an extent. I have some sympathy for concession price complaints because of the ballpark funding. I think the public gets a bit of a raw deal when we partially subsidize the activity, yet the team is allowed to set full "market price" for everything -- tickets, concessions, even TV broadcasts.

Also, the combination of high concession prices plus longer games puts families at a bit of a disadvantage, compared to the average fan. The average fan can deal with those factors by bringing in a sandwich and a bag of peanuts pretty easily. A family has to either bring in a ton of snacks, pay the high concession prices, and/or leave the game early. (On top of paying full freight for kid's tickets too -- the Twins have pretty well ended the longstanding practice of kids ticket discounts over the last couple years.)

So I don't mind a little grumbling about concession prices, although I usually focus my energy on spreading the gospel of outside food. :) If they ever try to ban outside food, though, I'll lead the revolt.


The other option is to go somewhere else.
I take my family to our local townball games instead. Admission is $2 each. Hot dogs, nachos, and beer are $1 each. Pop is 50 cents.
We all have the power of choice.

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 07:46 AM

The other option is to go somewhere else.
I take my family to our local townball games instead. Admission is $2 each. Hot dogs, nachos, and beer are $1 each. Pop is 50 cents.
We all have the power of choice.


Well, Hennepin County residents don't have a choice in subsidizing the Twins.

Obviously we can choose not to watch -- and many do, particularly non-baseball fans. But for those of us who are fans, it would be nice to get some benefit to our subsidy beyond the Twins mere presence.

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 09:18 AM

Well, Hennepin County residents don't have a choice in subsidizing the Twins.

Obviously we can choose not to watch -- and many do, particularly non-baseball fans. But for those of us who are fans, it would be nice to get some benefit to our subsidy beyond the Twins mere presence.


Not to get too far into the weeds, but you always have a choice.
People opposed to the subsidy can move, or do their shopping in a different county.

Also, that's just not how subsidies work, it's not realistic to expect them to sell concessions for less than the market will bear, just because they took public money. Amazon didn't pay a dime in federal tax last year, effectively a massive public subsidy. That doesn't mean they are going to give Prime away free to everyone.

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 12:02 PM

 

Not to get too far into the weeds, but you always have a choice.
People opposed to the subsidy can move, or do their shopping in a different county.

Also, that's just not how subsidies work, it's not realistic to expect them to sell concessions for less than the market will bear, just because they took public money. Amazon didn't pay a dime in federal tax last year, effectively a massive public subsidy. That doesn't mean they are going to give Prime away free to everyone.

 

We're definitely in the weeds now. :)

 

But don't you also have a choice to give feedback? Why is that choice pointless to you, but telling someone to find an alternative activity, or even move or shop away from Hennepin County, is valid? Especially when the choice to give feedback is not mutually exclusive from choosing not to buy either.

 

Businesses get customer feedback all the time. And that feedback is not necessarily invalid simply because the service is "nonessential" or the feedback suggests a price lower than the current price. Heck, that feedback could actually be considered part of the equation for determining the market price -- I imagine setting optimal prices for concessions and tickets is rather complex. "Voting with your wallet" is important, but often unclear if it could be caused by a multitude of factors (concession prices, ticket prices, team quality, accessibility, weather, etc.).

 

Especially for a business with a *direct* public subsidy (not just tax breaks), I think it's also fair to expect they'd consider public feedback, even if it runs contrary to maximizing profits.

 

At some point, I'd agree with you -- asking for free Amazon Prime is definitely pointless. But is it pointless to ask for $2 hot dogs or sodas during events at a publicly owned facility? It's possible that feedback was even a factor in this new concessions pricing too. (Although I suspect the larger factor was testing this new kiosk ordering system.)

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 12:05 PM

 

Link to the new special pricing:

https://www.mlb.com/...essions-pricing

 

The best "values" from that list are probably the peanuts/popcorn ($3, down from $5 normally), and the 16 oz. soda for $2 (normal price $6.50 for 24 oz.). Those two items could come in handy, if you don't have a chance to bring your own snacks or get the free soda coupon with the "designated driver" pledge.

 

No price for a soda is a good price.....

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Posted 15 March 2019 - 06:12 PM

We're definitely in the weeds now. :)

But don't you also have a choice to give feedback? Why is that choice pointless to you, but telling someone to find an alternative activity, or even move or shop away from Hennepin County, is valid? Especially when the choice to give feedback is not mutually exclusive from choosing not to buy either.

Businesses get customer feedback all the time. And that feedback is not necessarily invalid simply because the service is "nonessential" or the feedback suggests a price lower than the current price. Heck, that feedback could actually be considered part of the equation for determining the market price -- I imagine setting optimal prices for concessions and tickets is rather complex. "Voting with your wallet" is important, but often unclear if it could be caused by a multitude of factors (concession prices, ticket prices, team quality, accessibility, weather, etc.).

Especially for a business with a *direct* public subsidy (not just tax breaks), I think it's also fair to expect they'd consider public feedback, even if it runs contrary to maximizing profits.

At some point, I'd agree with you -- asking for free Amazon Prime is definitely pointless. But is it pointless to ask for $2 hot dogs or sodas during events at a publicly owned facility? It's possible that feedback was even a factor in this new concessions pricing too. (Although I suspect the larger factor was testing this new kiosk ordering system.)


I agree, except that complaining on Twins Daily isn't providing feedback to the business.
Yes, people should give feedback directly to the company when/if the prices are high enough to dissuade their patronage.

But, the reality, and my point, is that complaining/feedback will not affect prices.
Prices are set based on supply/demand and other market factors. If everyone complains that the prices are too high, but still continue to purchase the product, what do you think will happen to prices?

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 10:49 AM

I agree, except that complaining on Twins Daily isn't providing feedback to the business.
Yes, people should give feedback directly to the company when/if the prices are high enough to dissuade their patronage.

But, the reality, and my point, is that complaining/feedback will not affect prices.
Prices are set based on supply/demand and other market factors. If everyone complains that the prices are too high, but still continue to purchase the product, what do you think will happen to prices?


Why do you assume that people complaining are still buying the concessions? Or at least buying them at the same rate they would if the prices were lower?

Not only are my concession purchases limited, sometimes the concession prices discourage me from attending altogether.

I also wouldn't assume that people are only complaining here and not directly to the Twins. (Although the Twins are high profile enough that I don't believe feedback necessarily has to be private and direct to the business. I suspect they can easily hear and consider general public feedback here as well as on social media.)

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 09:01 PM

The prices are high but it's not the end of the world to drop $100. Big deal. It's a fun experience.

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:51 AM

Why do you assume that people complaining are still buying the concessions? Or at least buying them at the same rate they would if the prices were lower?

Not only are my concession purchases limited, sometimes the concession prices discourage me from attending altogether.

I also wouldn't assume that people are only complaining here and not directly to the Twins. (Although the Twins are high profile enough that I don't believe feedback necessarily has to be private and direct to the business. I suspect they can easily hear and consider general public feedback here as well as on social media.)


All fair points. And, it's a free country, my opinion certainly doesn't have to mean anything.
I just don't believe that feedback does much. The team and vendors know the sale totals. If they go down enough, prices will fall, even without a peep of feedback. If they don't fall, prices will stay the same or go up, regardless of any amount of feedback.

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:47 AM

I choose not to attend big league games in part because of price gouging, but one thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that sometimes the prices on concessions are just a big middle finger to fans.

 

Yeah, the clubs can get away with it.Doesn't make it any less obnoxious.


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Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:18 PM

I choose not to attend big league games in part because of price gouging, but one thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that sometimes the prices on concessions are just a big middle finger to fans.

Yeah, the clubs can get away with it. Doesn't make it any less obnoxious.


What is obnoxious about it?
It's a business, not a charity. Charging less than the market is willing to pay would be awful business.
The people who pay those prices are the obnoxious ones, not the business who is doing exactly what they should be doing.

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Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:49 PM

All of that can be true and it can still be obnoxious to pay $6 for a hot dog.


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Posted 17 March 2019 - 02:00 PM

All of that can be true and it can still be obnoxious to pay $6 for a hot dog.


And I agree it is obnoxious to pay $6 for a hot dog. Those lining up to shill out their hard earned $6 for a hot dog are the problem. Only a fool would refuse to take their money.

As PT Barnum said, there is a sucker born every minute.