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#21 clutterheart

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 04:18 PM

Another Twins prospect bites the dust...


What the hell is this?

Granite was a later round toolsy pick who overcame the odds and played 40 big leauge games for a team that made the playoffs.

He got traded for significant international cash.

Good for him and hope he gets a chance to play.
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Posted 03 March 2019 - 04:19 PM

Gosh, came here to read the discussion on Xavier Moore and...now this! Glad the Twins made this move, I wasn't really big on acquiring another A-ball level arm. God speed Xavier.

 

As for Granite, I was happy to have the guy in the Twins OF during that great 2017 season. But he'll always be remembered (by me, anyway) as the guy who missed stepping on 1st base during the huge playoff game in New York. I also remember how darn tiny he looked up there - like a little kid wearing his dad's batting helmet. He's got some talent though. I'd like to see him succeed. The only downside is if Buxton implodes again, we'll be watching Granite and Hicks play for other organizations...

 

But I think this says a lot about how the Twins feel about Wade. I think Wade's impressed in Spring Training.

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 04:27 PM

Update: Now we're talking! More creativity from this front office. That 700k would just about cover 5 Brusdar Graterols! That money is more appealing than the prospect imo.

Could be, but this money is for the current international signing period, which is fairly close to ending. (Trades of future international bonus money are prohibited.) I'm not even sure if there would be 5 Graterol level signings available anymore? FWIW, Graterol signed near the start of his signing period (August), albeit just after his 16th birthday -- but any interesting prospects who turn 16 now might be waiting until July when a lot more teams have a lot more money to bid.

Should be interesting to see what we do with the money. Probably better than the minor leaguer we traded away, but it's hard to get too excited about extra international bonus money this time of year. (And that's probably why were able to get as much as $700k for a guy like Xavier Moore -- the utility of $700k is lower this time of year.

Edited by spycake, 03 March 2019 - 04:29 PM.

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#24 TheLeviathan

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 04:38 PM

Nice, hard to be unhappy with this.

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#25 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 05:17 PM

Another Twins prospect bites the dust...


That's quite a liberal use of the term prospect.
The Twins did extraordinarily well to get any value whatsoever out of Granite, considering his draft status and limited tool set.
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Posted 03 March 2019 - 05:20 PM

I understand that the Twins got $700,000 or $750,000 International Bonus Money from the Orioles.As I understand, it has to be used during this signing period, ie, before June 30 (or is it an earlier date?).  

 

I also recall that the Twins spent their entire allocation for the young outfielder from Venezuela (Urbana).Does anyone know if they signed any other prospects for more than the minimum (is it $5,000 or $10,000?) and are over the allocation and this trade will allow them to not have to deal with the penalty?

 

If not already over, this will enable them to sign one or more late bloomers to contracts.Have to believe they have one or more players in mind if this is the case.Does anyone know anything about this?

 

In any case, I really like them getting something in return for a player that had to be removed from the 40-man to make room for someone much more valuable to the team.Great maneuvering by the FO.

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 05:27 PM

From MLBTR:

https://www.mlbtrade...om-orioles.html

the Twins are adding a notable amount to their bonus pool, as they had just under $80K remaining as of Feb. 8


Perhaps why the Orioles were willing to trade it:

Of course, even after these deals, the Orioles continue to lead the majors in international spending capacity. Thus, they could see these trades as easy ways to pick up minor league talent they like while continuing to hold the league’s largest bonus pool. It’s unclear how much the Orioles have left at the moment, but they had $6MM remaining – far more than the second-place Dodgers ($1.4MM) – before the Lebron and Moore acquisitions.

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 05:52 PM

there's nothing bad to say about Z.Granite or this deal. There was no way he was gonna crack into this roster at this time. This is one I have to give Falvine credit for. I have been very critical of them about last year. I'm not afraid to give them credit when it is due. He now has enough time to maybe get a chance with the Rangers.
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Posted 03 March 2019 - 06:06 PM

At this level the difference between the middle and the top teams is minuscule. This FO doesn't miss these little details. I find I'm learning more about MLB mechanization following these two. It is a refreshing ride.  

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#30 Danchat

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 06:43 PM

 

What the hell is this? Granite was a later round toolsy pick who overcame the odds and played 40 big leauge games for a team that made the playoffs. He got traded for significant international cash. Good for him and hope he gets a chance to play.

I commented that because there was some buzz in 2017 about Granite becoming a MLB regular. I even remember Darren Wolfson talking about how much the Twins FO liked him and he hypothesized trading Rosario to make room for Granite to come up. Plus according to various sources, Granite was supposed to be the 4th OF last season before the shoulder injury happened. So my comment should be noted with the context that some were overhyping a 13th rounder, but also just some frustration to see another young guy flame out with the Twins, even if he was a longshot. 

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 06:52 PM

 

Another Twins prospect bites the dust...

 

 

Granite has the best production of any player signed from that 14th round in 2013. Only three others even got a cup of coffee and Granite has logged twice as many games than any of those three.

 

Now he fetches a big number, giving the Twins a 12% boost in international dollars for the 2018-2019 signing window. Feather in the cap to the scouts who recommended Granite, and feather in the cap to the FO for getting surprising value for a surplus player.

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 06:57 PM

Just 2 years ago, the front office traded $2 million in cap room for 2 prospects. People also loved that move.
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Posted 03 March 2019 - 07:53 PM

Hard to believe there are many fifteen year olds left, and even harder to believe if there are, they don't already have verbal deals. But, still, great to get something for a guy Seth compares to Buxton.
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Posted 03 March 2019 - 09:17 PM

Granite was a player Pittsburgh was rumored to be interested in, when they were shopping Gerrit Cole last off-season.

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 10:00 PM

 

Glad the Twins made this move, I wasn't really big on acquiring another A-ball level arm. God speed Xavier.

I understand the sentiment, but that's exactly what you trade a fringe 40-man roster player for: a player who isn't going to be a 40-man roster candidate for 2-3 years. Trading him for another player on the cusp of MLB wouldn't solve the issue that lead to his hitting the wire in the first place.

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 10:36 PM

 

Hard to believe there are many fifteen year olds left, and even harder to believe if there are, they don't already have verbal deals. But, still, great to get something for a guy Seth compares to Buxton.

Yeah, I agree with you, but at the same time I'm willing to give the front office the benefit of the doubt here. Hard to believe that they would take such a large chunk of money without having a plan for spending it on someone.

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 11:09 PM

 

Update: Now we're talking! More creativity from this front office. That 700k would just about cover 5 Brusdar Graterols! That money is more appealing than the prospect imo.

If the Twins get 5 Graterols from this money, I shall accuse them of witchcraft. But in a good way.

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Posted 04 March 2019 - 04:25 AM

According to this Fangraphs article (from one year ago), Granite is the sixth best prospect in the game, projected to amass 10WAR over the first six seasons of his big-league career. Presumably a lot of that value is centered around his defense.

https://blogs.fangra...atoh-prospects/
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Posted 04 March 2019 - 05:58 AM

According to this Fangraphs article (from one year ago), Granite is the sixth best prospect in the game, projected to amass 10WAR over the first six seasons of his big-league career. Presumably a lot of that value is centered around his defense.

https://blogs.fangra...atoh-prospects/

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Posted 04 March 2019 - 07:13 AM

 

Yeah, I agree with you, but at the same time I'm willing to give the front office the benefit of the doubt here. Hard to believe that they would take such a large chunk of money without having a plan for spending it on someone.

Concur.

 

It's important to consider that they have relationships in place in the D.R., and fully staffed year-round facilities. We may never know if they had plans in advance for this cash, and we never find out how they invested it, but it's inconceivable to me that they don't have an option or two on the table.

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