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Article: How the Twins Are Preparing for the Impact of Injuries

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#21 Otwins

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 07:49 PM

I thought we would sign a third baseman so if Sano is not producing it would not "tank" the season. I am all for giving him another shot but I am not willinging to write off another season because he cannot lay off the same out of the strike zone breaking ball. Schoop did play some third base in Baltimore but that just moves your issue to second base.

 

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 07:51 PM

The most important thing for the Twins FO to prepare for injuries is to keep telling us fans that we're a small market team, and that we're still a couple years from making a run...kind of like nuclear fusion - just a few years out of reach, stop complaining beeches, buy moar season tickitz!

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 08:27 PM

How did Ervin Santana spend 286 days on the DL in a single season?


He was probably juicing. It should be 286* (with an asterisk) :)
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 08:36 PM

 

In case of injury or bad performance by one of the position players.... you still have to fill the DH slot every game. I'd prefer that batter to have all his value tied up in his bat, than leave some glove value "on the table" every game.

 

Of course that bat needs to be appreciably better than that of the more well-rounded player he replaces - say projected OPS .100 higher - or else I'm with you. And those are not common. Nelson Cruz is a risk in that regard, due to age.

 

So if he contracts Logan Morrison Disease, I'm also with you, on pulling the plug somehow.

 

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anticipated DH was Ryan Doumit or Robbie Grossman or (*shudder*) Jason Tyner, then different story, as well.

 

Agreed and that's why I'm excited about the Cruz signing. You bolded appreciably and I appreciate that because that's the key. 

 

The Twins typically haven't had a player who was appreciably better. That's why I'm having a hard time appreciating them in hindsight. 

 

In my perfect world... they fill the roster with legit competition up and down... and maybe... just maybe... hopefully... someday... we end up with 4 OF'ers who can all play and then we can use that DH spot for honest to God overflow. 

 

Unless... Rosario could play 3B.:D

 

Right now my main worry is backing up Sano... Would have loved to have a DH who could also play 3B. 

 

Oh Well... I'm happy we got Cruz. Here's to 40 dingers. 

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 07:16 AM

 

I'd 100% rather the 25 man was better, than worry about AAA depth. If he's better than Garver or Castro or the last bench name, I'd 100% rather he was in MN. I must not have been clear when I said roster.

 

To an extent, it's a bit of both. We all like Astrudilo, but he's also at best a very flexible option who won't embarrass himself anywhere, but he's not going to stand out much either. He has options, and some of the other options we have on the 25 man don't. You get rid of those guys and then you're using someone a whole lot worse than Willins to fill in. That's the logic, and it makes sense even if that means Astrudillo is in AAA. It's literally a 1 day issue at most. 

 

I'm not losing too much sleep over the 25th man spot... I think you and I should both agree that we need more talent much higher up on the roster than there.


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:39 AM

To an extent, it's a bit of both. We all like Astrudilo, but he's also at best a very flexible option who won't embarrass himself anywhere, but he's not going to stand out much either. He has options, and some of the other options we have on the 25 man don't. You get rid of those guys and then you're using someone a whole lot worse than Willins to fill in. That's the logic, and it makes sense even if that means Astrudillo is in AAA. It's literally a 1 day issue at most.

I'm not losing too much sleep over the 25th man spot... I think you and I should both agree that we need more talent much higher up on the roster than there.


Of course they need more stars, but that's no reason to punt the 25th spot.
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It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:50 AM

Signing #5 pitchers so you can drop a #5 pitcher with options from your 40 man seems like a bad way to prepare for injuries.
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Posted 05 February 2019 - 12:30 PM

The most important thing for the Twins FO to prepare for injuries is to keep telling us fans that we're a small market team, and that we're still a couple years from making a run...kind of like nuclear fusion - just a few years out of reach, stop complaining beeches, buy moar season tickitz!


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 01:07 PM

 

Of course they need more stars, but that's no reason to punt the 25th spot.

we don't agree that they are punting on that spot. 


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 02:53 PM

 

To an extent, it's a bit of both. We all like Astrudilo, but he's also at best a very flexible option who won't embarrass himself anywhere, but he's not going to stand out much either. He has options, and some of the other options we have on the 25 man don't. You get rid of those guys and then you're using someone a whole lot worse than Willins to fill in. That's the logic, and it makes sense even if that means Astrudillo is in AAA. It's literally a 1 day issue at most. 

 

I'm not losing too much sleep over the 25th man spot... I think you and I should both agree that we need more talent much higher up on the roster than there.

 

If Astudillo continues to hit like he did last year (That's a big If in my opinion). He would be the best hitting catcher in baseball. 

 

However... it is a big big If and I believe that he still has to do it again to fully earn it. We are still in a small sample size with him. I am pulling for him... big time. 

 

As for the 25th spot... Personally... I lose sleep over it.

 

I don't like calling it the 25th spot. I think spots 1 through 25 should be simply "Roster Spots" with no number attached to them. Let's the players sort out the rankings by how they perform. 

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:23 PM

Why does he have to hit that well to play? How about tenth best catcher, or even twentieth?

It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:25 PM

we don't agree that they are punting on that spot.


I must have read your post wrong, it seemed like you don't care much about that spot one way or the other. It's a precious commodity. there are only 25

It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 08:43 PM

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 07:44 AM

 

If Astudillo continues to hit like he did last year (That's a big If in my opinion). He would be the best hitting catcher in baseball. 

 

However... it is a big big If and I believe that he still has to do it again to fully earn it. We are still in a small sample size with him. I am pulling for him... big time. 

 

As for the 25th spot... Personally... I lose sleep over it.

 

I don't like calling it the 25th spot. I think spots 1 through 25 should be simply "Roster Spots" with no number attached to them. Let's the players sort out the rankings by how they perform. 

 

To me, I think you see Austin in that 25th man spot... and I'm not losing sleep over that, as Rocco will always have a decent bat on the bench for strategic purposes. Willins can be called up if someone gets hurt, and that goes back to your point of him needing to earn it... He WILL have opportunities to do so this season.

 

Now that said, if you give the slot to Willins and (presumably cut someone else such as say Austin) and someone gets hurt (say Cruz or Cron)... then who do you call up? I agree with you that I don't want to see Adrianza getting 300 ABs this year. If that happens, it won't be because they didn't put Astrudillo on the 25 man out of ST. It will likely be because they cut someone that they shouldn't have and don't have a stop gap in the minors. 

 

I've got zero problems with Astrudillo on the Rochester shuttle. It solves your first concern (that he needs to earn it) and gives us more flexibility... not less. That's using an option wisely so that you effectively have 26 on your 25 man roster.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 07:50 AM

 

I must have read your post wrong, it seemed like you don't care much about that spot one way or the other. It's a precious commodity. there are only 25

 

 

I do care about the spot. I like the idea of having a solid bench bat available for a late PH opportunity every game (I'm not quite as keen on a 8th reliever, but that's a different issue). I also like the idea of having what appears to be a very good stop gap who can be called up right away. I don't think it's punting on the spot to put Astrudillo in AAA, especially given that he's not exactly a known commodity at this point. He will get plenty of chances to prove himself over the course of the season. I'd wager a decent amount that he'll be called up no later than May as someone will have hit the DL by then. 

 

I will get more upset if they choose to not use the DL when a guy is hurt.

 

And I think we're both in agreement that the bigger problem here is that they've done nothing about other spots on the 25 man. We need a bullpen ace, and I'm really not excited about Perez. Hopefully I'm eating my words on Perez and we still end up with Kimbrel, but I doubt it. 

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 01:33 PM

There's a ways to go before they break camp, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Gibson start on the Dl.He's thin as a rail having lost 25 pounds with Ecoli.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 01:36 PM

 

There's a ways to go before they break camp, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Gibson start on the Dl.He's thin as a rail having lost 25 pounds with Ecoli.

 

Yikes! 

It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


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Posted 06 February 2019 - 03:07 PM

 

To me, I think you see Austin in that 25th man spot... and I'm not losing sleep over that, as Rocco will always have a decent bat on the bench for strategic purposes. Willins can be called up if someone gets hurt, and that goes back to your point of him needing to earn it... He WILL have opportunities to do so this season.

 

Now that said, if you give the slot to Willins and (presumably cut someone else such as say Austin) and someone gets hurt (say Cruz or Cron)... then who do you call up? I agree with you that I don't want to see Adrianza getting 300 ABs this year. If that happens, it won't be because they didn't put Astrudillo on the 25 man out of ST. It will likely be because they cut someone that they shouldn't have and don't have a stop gap in the minors. 

 

I've got zero problems with Astrudillo on the Rochester shuttle. It solves your first concern (that he needs to earn it) and gives us more flexibility... not less. That's using an option wisely so that you effectively have 26 on your 25 man roster.

 

Not quite. 

 

I can't stress this enough. I don't believe in a "25th man spot" and refuse to designate someone in that sense. I only see roster spots. Tyler Austin would have a roster spot and the right to compete for as much playing time as he earns in comparison with his teammates.

 

I believe that as soon as you designate someone for a 25th roster spot role, or designate anyone for reduced playing time and then subsequently give them one of the 25 man roster spot. You've blown it before the season even starts. The reason is real simple... we can count on someone (usually multiple players) from the "projected starting 9" to either get hurt or struggle. 

 

I have probably the same concerns with Adrianaza as you do by my concerns will manifest themselves differently. I'm saying that Adrianaza BETTER GET 300 AB's if you give him a roster spot or you have wasted that roster spot. With Adrianaza... I don't know if he is the guy I would have chose for a roster spot but if the front office has chosen him.... they must believe in him... now they must provide ample opportunity for him to justify the selection. They could have traded for someone like Profar or signed someone like Lowrie or Tulo but they didn't... instead they offered a contract to Adrianaza early. 

 

I will wait until the off-season is complete to see how the roster shapes up... I will also wait past that... right into the season before I make any judgements What I don't ever want to see again... Is struggling players playing every day like they are Mike Trout. And I especially don't want to ever hear again... "we have to play the struggling player every day because all we have is Ryan Lamarre. 

 

I got beat up last year by posters... I was accused of being a Ryan Lamarre bobo. My point about Ryan Lamarre was consistent... You gave him a roster spot with whatever methodology that I don't have access to... He's gathering dust on the bench and we have players who suck right now playing every day. Play him or cut him. Quit wasting precious 25 man roster space with players that you don't want to play. And rostering a player with the intention of playing in a diminished role is a player that you don't want to play. 

 

I've looked at playing time allocation and roster management for the Twins over the past decade. I studied it and I looked at again... 3 4 5 times and came to the same conclusion each time. 

 

The Twins consistently reward Average to Below Average to Bad Players with everyday playing time when they should be competing for that playing time. This fundamental issue has slowed our rebuild to a crawl. The reason it's crawling is because nobody is increasing in value.

 

Just look and see what we got back for the limited trades we made. It's a laundry list of names who became nothing. Look at what our departing free agents got for contracts and how soon they were out of baseball after being everyday players for us. 

 

We got nothing of value to trade... we have no room for rookies to play and increase in value because we have been blocked up with 9 starting AVERAGE baseball players. 

 

I'm saying that if you are going to take this approach with the average baseball player. You need more of them... Don't go average one at a time with a starting 9... You need to flood it and reward the best performer. That's how you find Astudillo and Cave. That's how you find Chris Taylor, Max Muncy, Justin Turner, Kike Hernandez, JD Martinez, David Ortiz. That's how you stop Logan Morrison from playing every day... that's how you become bullet proof and how you stop yourself from going down with the ship. 

 

Speaking of Astudillo... Yep... we agree 100%. He has options... players with options remaining allows you to keep the player close by while you give a player without options a chance. Players with options remaining should blow the doors down before you waste that potential depth. Because either Castro or Garver is going to get hurt and someone needs to show up from Rochester and it better not be Bobby Wilson.  

 

One last thing... I'm still thinking of Ash's word "Appreciably" from an earlier post. We all seem to imagine in our head the starting 9 playing "Appreciably" better than the others. In the past decade... how often have we had starting players performing "Appreciably" better. There's been a few but not that many. Certainly miles from close enough to ever think we have this "STARTING 9" thing down to a science".:)

 

Alright... i feel better. Til next time. I'll be back with this again I'm sure. 

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 08:33 AM

There's a ways to go before they break camp, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Gibson start on the Dl.He's thin as a rail having lost 25 pounds with Ecoli.

I don't recall seeing this tidbit before now. If so, I wonder whether the Twins' unexpectedly signing Perez has any connection with it.

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 09:26 AM

 

I don't recall seeing this tidbit before now. If so, I wonder whether the Twins' unexpectedly signing Perez has any connection with it.

The Twins signing a SP was unexpected?

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