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Keith Law Top 100 - no love for Graterol

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#1 SydneyTwinsFan

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 06:17 PM

Twins have no-one in the 51-100 section. Interesting that Balazovic (102) and Graterol (108) were included in the "just missed" group, with Balazovic ranked slightly higher. Law seems to think Graterol is destined for relief which is the most bearish I've seen anyone on him. "Scouts see no projection.." seems overly harsh based on his performance to date.

 

http://www.espn.com/...ects-nos-100-51

 

http://www.espn.com/...-missed-top-100

Edited by SydneyTwinsFan, 29 January 2019 - 06:18 PM.

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#2 Mike Sixel

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 06:45 PM

The only time I miss my subscription to Insider (or whatever it is called now)....but when you get laid off, you make choices.

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#3 bluechipper

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 06:52 PM

Hopefully this works out similarly to Klaw "hating on" Berrios back in the day.

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 06:58 PM

Balazovic is about 6-4. 

Graterol is about 6-0. 

 

Scouts like to see 6-3 and taller. The knock on Graterol is his height, and he is very strong, so yes, 102 is probably the top of his potential velocity. 

 

Also, anyone who throws around 100 will almost always be seen as a reliever by many scouts, and understandably so. 100 with a slider can dominated for an inning at a time. But, teams are smart enough to give them every opportunity to be 170 inning guys rather than 60 inning guys. 

 

I do really like Balazovic and I got a lot of great reports on him. That said, he was my #29 Twins prospect. By this, my assumption is that he is Law's #3 Twins prospect (unless he has Javier in his Top 50). I can't see that. 

 

Also, it'll get people talking about his rankings, right? That brings in page views... 

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 07:52 PM

Same thing with Romero. They’re short (stature), right-handed, power pitchers. Neither is going to project as a dominant, innings-eating, starter. Possibly, but not likely. Meanwhile, Balazovic’s peripherals were pretty similar to Graterol’s last year at Cedar Rapids...and Balazovic is actually a bit younger, although maybe a bit under the radar coming out of Canada at a very young age. Fair to say, IMO, that up to this point we’ve had Graterol a bit over-rated...mesmerized by that third digit on the radar gun...and Balazovic somewhat under-rated. Regardless of whether it makes sense for anyone to rank Balazovic ahead of Graterol at this point...I simply take this as very encouraging regarding Balazovic.
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#6 gunnarthor

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 08:10 AM

What does Klaw say about Balazovic? His numbers in A ball were solid - esp his strike outs.IIRC, he was a high riser on draft day and the Twins paid overslot for him. Scouts saw the potential in him. I can't find the thread but I remember posting some pretty encouraging scouting reports about him last year.

 

That 2016 draft is going to rival the 2012 draft for us.

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#7 birdwatcher

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 09:06 AM

 

Hopefully this works out similarly to Klaw "hating on" Berrios back in the day.

 

 

Good catch. IIRC, did he not think Berrios a likely bullpen guy with a #3 ceiling? He cited his height and weight.

 

He may be under-estimating Graterol in part on the basis of height and physicality, which Reusse said is now 6'1" and 220lbs. But it also could be his sub par changeup, which he said he's been focused on improving. 

 

Wouldn't it be great if Law has Graterol at #108 and has under-rated him severely?

 

The helium on Balazovic is a fabulous development if the dreaming on him holds water.

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#8 Mike Sixel

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 09:48 AM

Number 108 is no love?
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Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:05 AM

If only there was one place where all the information about the Twins' minor league prospects as available. I could then spend my leisure winter days prepping for the upcoming season. Seth - do you know of any such place?
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#10 mikelink45

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:10 AM

Law is just a writer.If he was as good as ESPN claims he would be with a team.But at least he gives opinions and that generates great discussions and debates.


#11 Mike Sixel

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:39 AM

Law is just a writer. If he was as good as ESPN claims he would be with a team. But at least he gives opinions and that generates great discussions and debates.


He was in a front office. He wanted to have a different life style. And, plenty of ...just writers.... at fangraphs and other places have taken front office jobs.
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#12 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:49 AM

Number 108 is no love?


In comparison to his ranking on the other outlets, I'd guess.
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Posted 30 January 2019 - 11:16 AM

 

Law is just a writer.If he was as good as ESPN claims he would be with a team.But at least he gives opinions and that generates great discussions and debates.

I don't know.He seems to be right more often than wrong.No one is perfect when rating prospects.Even though I don't always agree with his opinions I do respect them because when I look back most of what he said was gonna happen did happen.

 

One example I remember was Kennys Vargas.A lot of us on this board were very high on him but not Law.Vargas never did quite make it so I think he won that one.There are many other examples but that is just one that sticks out to me. 

 

Regrading Berrios if I remember correctly he didn't like that his fastball was so flat and Berrios did have some trouble adjusting to MLB.He did start to come around on Berrios in the end though as well.Player development can change opinions.

 

I think Law gets a bad rep here because he isn't as optimistic as we are in assessing our prospects.He is more balanced in his approach.He also comes off a bit cocky or non caring so his personality can rub people wrong but I still think his player analysis is pretty good.

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 11:54 AM

 

He was in a front office. He wanted to have a different life style. And, plenty of ...just writers.... at fangraphs and other places have taken front office jobs.

I understand that, but as much as I enjoy reading his materials, I do not give him more credibility that the other writers and I am glad that baseball has started to grab the researchers from Fangraphs, Baseball Perspective and other places.I like his rankings, but the fact he has Graterol lower or higher than someone else does not mean much at this point.The fact that Graterol is at least in the discussion is good.  

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#15 Splash45

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 11:55 AM

Law is just a writer. If he was as good as ESPN claims he would be with a team. But at least he gives opinions and that generates great discussions and debates.


Maybe he prefers writing to working for a baseball team? Or maybe the pay at ESPN is better then what he’d get with a team? Just because he works at ESPN doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he is talking about for the most part.

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 11:56 AM

 

I don't know.He seems to be right more often than wrong.No one is perfect when rating prospects.Even though I don't always agree with his opinions I do respect them because when I look back most of what he said was gonna happen did happen.

 

One example I remember was Kennys Vargas.A lot of us on this board were very high on him but not Law.Vargas never did quite make it so I think he won that one.There are many other examples but that is just one that sticks out to me. 

 

Regrading Berrios if I remember correctly he didn't like that his fastball was so flat and Berrios did have some trouble adjusting to MLB.He did start to come around on Berrios in the end though as well.Player development can change opinions.

 

I think Law gets a bad rep here because he isn't as optimistic as we are in assessing our prospects.He is more balanced in his approach.He also comes off a bit cocky or non caring so his personality can rub people wrong but I still think his player analysis is pretty good.

I think he is quite good, but so are so many that are making these lists.I like combining all the lists and seeing how players are ranked by consensus.Law is good, but I am not excited about whether someone is 102 or 108.I think as you go down the list the rankings simply mean that they have done enough to become part of a conversation.

 

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 12:16 PM

Top-50 was posted this morning - he's got Lewis at #9 and Kirilloff at #11.

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 12:17 PM

Perhaps more surprisingly, he's got Tatis Jr. ranked #1 and Guerrero Jr. ranked #2.

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 12:27 PM

Give me a "writer" who can get Brad Steil or Tommy Watkins to return his call over someone with no connections who fancies himself an expert over "derivative" assessors like Law because he traipsed around during spring training and saw a guy in person. Even a truly credentialed guy like Law is more credible if he's made some calls on a prospect and is in possession of more than one opinion on a guy.

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 12:31 PM

 

Perhaps more surprisingly, he's got Tatis Jr. ranked #1 and Guerrero Jr. ranked #2.

 

 

Pitch forks are gonna come back out in White Sox territory. That Tatis, Jr. for Shields trade will be seethed about for a long long time on the south side.

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