By definition, there won't be many .672 OPS (80 OPS+) regulars. In order to do that, one needs to play a premium defensive position, and one needs to be one of the best defenders in the game at that position. It's going to be fairly uncommon.
But Buxton does play a premium position, and there is evidence he is among the best defenders. If Buxton actually had a full season .672 OPS as your first post in this thread alluded to (and called a "black hole"), Buxton would likely contribute just as much value to the Twins as Greg Gagne did, or rookie Knoblauch did. He wouldn't be a star, but he'd easily be an average or above average regular overall.
That doesn't mean that Buxton and the Twins shouldn't strive for more than a 80 OPS+, or that there aren't glaring concerns about his game right now. Chiefly, the ~.550 OPS months, which are truly black holes, and health are the obvious ones. If anything, the .672 career OPS, which you introduced to this thread, actually understates the concern about him -- that was what struck me about your post. I'm not making excuses for him, or coddling him, as you so often object.
What?Do I really need to explain it to you or are you intentionally misinterpreting what I said just to make me seem silly?The guys who actually work with him would be the ones doing that.Not saying you are making excuses for him either.I just think your rationale is off.
Also, how in the world does stating a fact about his 162 game average understate anything?It states the reality and that is what I am interested in first and foremost.OF COURSE the injuries and horrible starts are a huge concern.I have discussed that already in other posts about him, but you challenged what I said about his 162 game average OPS.
As far as your Knoblauch rookie season comparison goes you are comparing apples to trout.Knoblauch had a .351 OPS, was a second baseman, was 21 years old and at a different stage in his career.He also had an OPS of .701 (which for a second baseman with and OPS in 1991 is fine).Furthermore, looking through the league over the last 20 years I tried to find CFs with a OPS lower than .672 with 2,000 plate appearances.Those players would be: Billy Hamilton, Willy Taveras, Ben Revere and Jarrod Dyson.That is all and Buxton's OBP is worse than all of them.Not by a little bit either.In the case of Revere, Tavares and Dyson 35 points.All of them have much higher batting averages.
How long exactly does he get?That is my bone of contention.I don't think he should have a whole season starting in the outfield.He can't go on being the one the absolute worst offensive CF in baseball over the last 20 years and remain in the daily lineup.It is wrong on several levels.What message does it send to other players in the system?We are going to give Buxton more rope than anyone even after he publicly moans about his situation?
We are miles apart, I think.If he is hitting .190 by Mother's Day I send him down to Rochester.Here is hoping he doesn't give us his career average .464 OPS April (even worse than .550).Dude has had almost 1.000 at bats at the major league level.HOwmuch further do we continue this apprenticeship?
Edited by ewen21, 30 January 2019 - 07:19 AM.