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Article: Revisiting Realmuto as a Twins Trade Target

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#41 Nick Nelson

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:24 AM

 

I don't know about "established". He's only been an All Star once. His career OPS is lower than the largely maligned CJ Cron.

He's been a top-3 catcher in the major leagues each of the past 3 years. His lowest WAR during that span would've led the Twins in 2018. 

 

It is truly mystifying to me how much Realmuto is being underrated by Twins fans. 

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#42 Mike Sixel

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:25 AM

I would have done it for three years of control. I'm slightly less likely for two....

But yes, he's being criminally under rated in this thread.
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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:34 AM

I would not be surprised if the Dodgers offered Ruiz and Verdugo. I would be shocked if Mia did not take that offer. The Twins cannot afford to beat that offer, unless they go "Plan B" and sell Mia on Buxton and give up Graterol as well. Even that seems like a lot. 

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:34 AM

I would be very upset if we dealt the farm for a "top catcher". The asking price is ridiculous, I guess a .270 hitting catcher with some added pop does nothing for me, we have that and his name is Garver, I feel he work extremely hard behind the plate last year to become better at defense, why not see what he can do, since it seems like the Twins are punting this year anyway.

 

People have said it already, its a position of luxury to have a good hitting catcher. Marlins will probably might end up getting 2 top 50 guys or 3 top 100. I also feel this would be a different conversion if our current core actually turned into what we all expected.


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:50 AM

 

I would have done it for three years of control. I'm slightly less likely for two....

But yes, he's being criminally under rated in this thread.

 

I just don't see adding a catcher as what's going to get the Twins over the hump. They desperately need to upgrade their pitching staff with another top of the rotation and shutdown bullpen arm before they trade away top rated prospects. unless of course that top rated prospect is going to get you a top of the rotation arm.


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:51 AM

I wouldn't part with a top 25 prospect for a starting C for 2 years and I wouldn't part with the team's top SP prospect since it's a position to develop within. I don't see a fit here, unless the Marlins change their demands at the break. And I doubt they'll drop their asking price for another full season.


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 11:53 AM

He’s the best catcher in the game right now. He’s not Mauer or Posey in their primes, not even Lucroy when he was in Milwaukee. Realmuto looks so good because two way catchers are almost nonexistent in the game right now. A Garver/Castro/Astudillo mix behind the dish has some promise. With the state of the roster I’d not give up a top prospect for an .825 OPS, no matter what position that .825 OPS plays.
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Posted 28 January 2019 - 12:07 PM

He's worth that in a trade but I don't want to because of the position. To give up talent AND money for a catcher is hard for me. We saw what happened to Mauer from a foul tip. It was depressing to move him to another position and he was never the same offensively.

I am/was all for giving out money to a FA C (would have really liked Grandal). That way if he goes down it's only money and not money plus top prospects.
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Posted 28 January 2019 - 12:08 PM

 

He's worth that in a trade but I don't want to because of the position. To give up talent AND money for a catcher is hard for me. We saw what happened to Mauer from a foul tip. It was depressing to move him to another position and he was never the same offensively.

I am/was all for giving out money to a FA C (would have really liked Grandal). That way if he goes down it's only money and not money plus top prospects.

Yeah, it seems strange that we aren't willing to pay for Grandal but we'd then be willing to get rid of Kiriloff for Realmuto. That's a huge loss and I think the FO probably values Kiriloff very highly since he's an obvious replacement for one of our OFers who gets too expensive.

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 12:13 PM

A deal headlined by Kiriloff? Nope, not this year. Not with only 2 seasons of control left. I've long wanted Realmuto, but not for Kiriloff. I'd deal Trevor Larnach as a headliner. Jorge Alcala as a 2nd piece and another low minors player. I hang onto Graterol also, or if he was included no Larnach and the 2nd piece would be less than Alcala.

 

Marlins are overpricing realmuto imo. Similar to what Falvine did on Dozier a couple years back.


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 12:15 PM

But in hindsite I'm with a few others. Simple answer, should have upped the offer to Grandal rather than give up Kiriloff.

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 12:24 PM

 

He's been a top-3 catcher in the major leagues each of the past 3 years. His lowest WAR during that span would've led the Twins in 2018. 

 

It is truly mystifying to me how much Realmuto is being underrated by Twins fans. 

 

Well as I said above, if I'm trading top prospects, I want a great hitter, not a guy who's a good hitter for a catcher. I don't care about the position, find the best offensive talent and make it work. Realmuto is a good, not great offensive force. He's topped an .800 OPS once, his best season last year would have been at the low end of Mauer's and Posey's peak years. He's not elite, he only looks that way because the position is nearly an offensive black hole in today's game. 

 

With how everyone had starry eyes with the Brewers trade for Yelich last year despite them not needing an outfielder, I'd think that would be the model people would be most interested in.

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 12:28 PM

 

A big-time catcher is a rich team's luxury. Acquiring one consumes resources that could have been applied to someone who plays 150+ games a year or starts 32.

How about Signing Manny and trading for JT? I agree just trading for JT doesn't really move the needle.

But I will take an established all star player for a A ball player almost ever time.


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 12:43 PM

If just Kiriloff does it, that would be a tough decision, but hard to turn down. We are talking about the best catcher in the game that is still young for a kid that is an extremely talented hitter, but is in A ball. He might turn into a stud major leaguer, but he also might not be a star at all, hell, he might not even make it to the major leagues. 

 

That said, if the team is up for trading Kiriloff, yes, I would shop him to the Mets or someone and bring in a #1 starter type first before I give him up for the catcher. That said, Kiriloffs value is huge right now. What happens if he has a bad season this year? Or he gets hurt? He could go from coveted prospect, to a guy no one wants all in one season. 

 

Hard decision...

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 01:50 PM

Hmmm, I'd legitimately make the following offer:

 

Gordon, Rooker, Gonsalves. 

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 02:10 PM

I would not trade a young potential star for 2 years of Realmuto. I'm very comfortable with the Platoon of Garver/Castro. 

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 02:11 PM

 

Hmmm, I'd legitimately make the following offer:

 

Gordon, Rooker, Gonsalves. 

My question would be, if the somebody offered those three to the Twins which twin would you be willing to give up for them three, Then ask would another team give up an all star for those three?

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Posted 28 January 2019 - 02:16 PM

Realmuto, Machado,Harper and Andujar are all players that directly fit the mold and definition of what the Twins should be looking to acquire - young with many projectable years. That being said if your farm has the supposed depth of Minnesota's, deals for JT and/or Andujar should be available without the inclusion of Lewis and Kirilloff. Those two are pretty much off limits from my perspective. 


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 02:38 PM

 

My question would be, if the somebody offered those three to the Twins which twin would you be willing to give up for them three, Then ask would another team give up an all star for those three?

 

For those three? It's hard to pinpoint an exact correlation between Realmuto's productivity and any current Twin. I would say Rosario (Similar age, etc), but the fact that Realmuto is a catcher holds more value. 

 

Rosario is usually a borderline all star, no? Likely held back by his position-- I think he's probably the one who draws the most similarities to Realmuto, and yes, I'd accept those three for Rosario. I'd sweeten the deal too if it helps. 


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Posted 28 January 2019 - 02:49 PM

 

For those three? It's hard to pinpoint an exact correlation between Realmuto's productivity and any current Twin. I would say Rosario (Similar age, etc), but the fact that Realmuto is a catcher holds more value. 

 

Rosario is usually a borderline all star, no? Likely held back by his position-- I think he's probably the one who draws the most similarities to Realmuto, and yes, I'd accept those three for Rosario. I'd sweeten the deal too if it helps. 

So basically everybody but Berrios for those three? I wouldn't trade any Twins starter for those three.

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