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#1 2wins87

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:45 AM

The top 100 will be released tomorrow, but the top 10 positional lists are all out now.

 

Twins' prospects on the positional lists are:

 

1B: #5: Brent Rooker - Overall scouting grade 50 - https://www.mlb.com/...6?tid=151437456

He won't make the top 100 with a 50 overall grade, my guess is that his grade/rank puts him somewhere in the 120-175 range.

 

SS: #2: Royce Lewis - Overall grade 65 - https://www.mlb.com/...4?tid=151437456

His grade puts him as high as 4th or as low as 7th on the overall list

 

OF: #4: Alex Kirilloff - Overall grade 60 - https://www.mlb.com/...8?tid=151437456

His grade and rank among outfielders puts him as high as 9th or as low as 19th on the overall list

 

Graterol didn't make the loaded top 10 RHP list, but I would guess there are at least 20 more RHP on the top 100, so we'll see where he ranks tomorrow.

 

The other outside shot at the top 100 would be Larnach who missed the top 10 OF list but could potentially be among the few more outfield prospects who make the top 100.He was a 50 grade on the midseason list so he'd have to gain half a grade to make it, which is possible considering his strong debut.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:58 AM

On pipeline's list at the end of the year, the three other Twins with FV 55 grades were Graterol, Gordon and Gonsalves. Larnach and Javier were the two 50s with probably the biggest upside and were sandwiched around Rooker. If 55 is the cut off, I'd agree that the list will only have Lewis, Kiriloff and Graterol. 

 

I'll be interested to see how they measure our top 30. The team seems to have a lot of depth in the 45-50ish range but not a lot of high end depth like we had a few years ago. 

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:31 AM

 

On pipeline's list at the end of the year, the three other Twins with FV 55 grades were Graterol, Gordon and Gonsalves. Larnach and Javier were the two 50s with probably the biggest upside and were sandwiched around Rooker. If 55 is the cut off, I'd agree that the list will only have Lewis, Kiriloff and Graterol. 

 

I'll be interested to see how they measure our top 30. The team seems to have a lot of depth in the 45-50ish range but not a lot of high end depth like we had a few years ago. 

 

 

I could be wrong, but I think they updated some grades after the draft, but haven't changed any since then.Gordon and Gonsalves probably have reason to go down half a grade.I would expect Javier holds having not played.I think Larnach could go up half a grade since I'm pretty sure the 50 was his grade at draft time and making quick adjustments to pro ball can sometimes make grades go up a bit.Not sure it will and even if it does it doesn't guarantee him a top 100 spot.I think they usually have at least 110 or so 55+ grades.

 

I agree on the depth of the system.The good news is that the top guys have gotten better, but there's a bit of a gap in the 50-55 range.But given how many guys there are a bit below that, they could have a lot of depth there next year if just a few guys make some strides.It'll be interesting to compare the list at the end of this year to the post 2012 and 2013 lists.Assuming Kirilloff and Lewis retain their eligibility and the FO doesn't start selling off lots of pieces for major league assets, I have to assume it'll have more depth all the way down.


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:45 AM

 

On pipeline's list at the end of the year, the three other Twins with FV 55 grades were Graterol, Gordon and Gonsalves. Larnach and Javier were the two 50s with probably the biggest upside and were sandwiched around Rooker. If 55 is the cut off, I'd agree that the list will only have Lewis, Kiriloff and Graterol. 

 

I'll be interested to see how they measure our top 30. The team seems to have a lot of depth in the 45-50ish range but not a lot of high end depth like we had a few years ago. 

 

We seemed to have more high floor guys back then but more high ceiling guys now which excites me. I think evaluators place too high of a presumption or at least insinuation that the high floor guys are near locks to be useful when in fact they probably bust just slightly less often, but still very often.


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:08 AM

 

We seemed to have more high floor guys back then but more high ceiling guys now which excites me. I think evaluators place too high of a presumption or at least insinuation that the high floor guys are near locks to be useful when in fact they probably bust just slightly less often, but still very often.

I think it's the opposite. Injuries happen but at one point, pipeline had given a 60 grade to Buxton, Sano, Meyer, Stewart and Berrios. And right behind them were guys like Gordon (#37 after his draft year). The high upside of that group of players was pretty impressive. Injuries hampered Meyer (that one really hurt) and Burdi while the top three guys have all had pretty good high water marks in the majors already. And also on those lists were guys who become solid regulars like Rosario and Polanco. 

 

Right now, today, I don't think the Twins have that kind of upside. Now, those players can play themselves up into that role but you have to do a lot of squinting to get their. Looking at that 2014 list and Lewis might get placed at #3 and Kiriloff would slip in around 4-7 range. Graterol would be 9.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 03:08 PM

 

I think it's the opposite. Injuries happen but at one point, pipeline had given a 60 grade to Buxton, Sano, Meyer, Stewart and Berrios. And right behind them were guys like Gordon (#37 after his draft year). The high upside of that group of players was pretty impressive. Injuries hampered Meyer (that one really hurt) and Burdi while the top three guys have all had pretty good high water marks in the majors already. And also on those lists were guys who become solid regulars like Rosario and Polanco. 

 

Right now, today, I don't think the Twins have that kind of upside. Now, those players can play themselves up into that role but you have to do a lot of squinting to get their. Looking at that 2014 list and Lewis might get placed at #3 and Kiriloff would slip in around 4-7 range. Graterol would be 9.

 

I sort of agree, though I think Lewis now would have been in the conversation with Sano for the #2 spot, and Kirilloff would probably have been a pretty easy choice over Meyer and Berrios for the #4 spot.Not sure about Graterol, but I'm thinking probably 7th ahead of Polanco. The grades were a little more generous back then (14 65+ grades and 34 60+ grades in 2014 vs 7 65+ grades and 21 60+ grades this year; it's not like the entire minor league is that much worse this year, if at all).

 

This crop definitely doesn't measure up to 2014, but I wouldn't be surprised if next year it was in the same range with a bit more depth after the top 10.

Edited by 2wins87, 25 January 2019 - 03:09 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 10:39 AM

Wow, they're doing a special reveal on MLB Network and MLB.com tonight at 7 PM CST.

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 04:26 PM

Wow, they're doing a special reveal on MLB Network and MLB.com tonight at 7 PM CST.

Any guesses who'll be taking his talents to South Beach?

So, in conclusion, what was your question again?


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Posted 26 January 2019 - 06:54 PM

The top 100 list:

 

7 - Lewis

10 - Kirilloff

70 - Graterol


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Posted 26 January 2019 - 07:13 PM

 

The top 100 list:

 

7 - Lewis

10 - Kirilloff

70 - Graterol

That's the 2018 list

Is it 2020 yet?


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Posted 26 January 2019 - 07:13 PM

Looks like Graterol is at 68

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 07:14 PM

Graterol #68

Is it 2020 yet?


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Posted 26 January 2019 - 07:16 PM

 

The top 100 list:

 

7 - Lewis

10 - Kirilloff

70 - Graterol

Seems fair considering that none of them have played AA.Next year should tell a lot more.

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 07:38 PM

They have announced through 10. Neither kiriloff or Lewis off the board yet. Should hear more soon

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 07:46 PM

Lewis at 5. Kiriloff at 9

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 10:57 PM

Mayo: "If ever a No. 1 pick overall could be slightly underrated, it was Royce Lewis.... He's going to be a premium player at a premium position soon."

 

Caple: "It's amazing with Royce Lewis. He was the No. 1 pick two year ago, and he's better than people thought."

 

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Posted 27 January 2019 - 12:42 AM

trust but verify.


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Posted 27 January 2019 - 01:15 AM

Hmmm. None of the prospects traded for get any love. None of them.


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Posted 27 January 2019 - 08:37 AM

 

Hmmm. None of the prospects traded for get any love. None of them.

So two drafts and two trade deadlines and the new FO has so far managed one top 100 prospect. Get out the pitchforks.

 

Obviously, that's not quite a fair critic of them - Enlow, Rooker and Larnich were all solid picks, and the trades added solid depth - but let's hope we start seeing some big breakouts this year. I'm still very high on the group of 2016 second rounders, for instance.

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Posted 27 January 2019 - 10:13 AM

 

Hmmm. None of the prospects traded for get any love. None of them.

 

I'm guessing Alcala and Celestino would slot into a 150 list and Duran and Maciel might make a 200 list. Sickles has all of them graded as B, which means most of them have a great chance to spend several years in the major leagues in at least a minor role.

 

The Twins have a dozen prospects in this "next 100" B grade category: Larnach, Javier, Rooker, Thorpe, Badoo, Gonsalves to name a few.

 

It would be ideal if they had a couple prospects in that 55FV category, but having Lewis and Kirilloff occupying space on the top of this list is huge. We have to remember this is the territory occupied by players like Lindor, Bryant, Correa, oh, and of course Buxton and Sano. Most of these prospects become stars.

 

Having three on the list is no shame. I remember a draught back in about 2007-2009 where they had none, and their B grade list was average at best.

Edited by birdwatcher, 27 January 2019 - 10:16 AM.