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#21 diehardtwinsfan

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 10:09 AM

 

Here's the thing...am i the only one who got the impression that the explanation for last years fire sale was to free up payroll so that we could "keep our options open" during the 2019 FA signing period?

 

With the exception of Pressley, every contract traded was on it's last year. The trades had nothing to do with keeping options open. They were to acquire additional assets in a lost season. Pressley was the only exception to this, and largely (I think) because they got an offer they felt they couldn't refuse. 

 

I'm not sure I'd call that a grand plan to win the WS, but the best way to position yourself for a WS is to have guys that can contribute and guys you can trade to fill holes when the time is right. 

 

And yes, in my opinion, Marwin Gonzalez was a no brainer. I'd have loved to upgrade Adrianza with him... Unfortunately, he's signed, so that ship has sailed.... oh, and yes, I agree with you that we should get another RP... not sure the starting market makes a ton of sense given our situation, but having another option in high leverage situations would be wise. 

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 10:15 AM

I know I am the least qualified from an expertise standpoint. However, it is a given that depth is key on any roster in any sport so I am not sure what the point here is. When a team starts a season with 2 penciled in starters in the "unknown" category, that speaks for itself. The only certainty in the Twins' 2019 season is Joe Mauer day. 2019 is a transitional, if not outright rebuilding, year for the Twins and they won't even know what kind of team they have until this year is over. I do think they will be competitive and fun to follow on a game to game basis with no expectations whatsoever. I am glad they have a new manager and I am glad the Joe Mauer era is over. Time to move on.

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 10:39 AM

 

Someday major league rosters will expand to 27 or 28 and you roster 25 for a game, so you can have the situational runner and an extra bench bat.

I would be all for this, if I thought what you state would happen. Instead, I believe the new spots would simply be used to move even more pitchers around (more easily...back and forth between active and inactive) with the result being even more arms being available for each game. That would make things worse, not better. Roster expansion is right at the top of the 'be careful what you wish for' list, IMO.


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Posted 09 January 2019 - 12:08 PM

 

I would be all for this, if I thought what you state would happen. Instead, I believe the new spots would simply be used to move even more pitchers around (more easily...back and forth between active and inactive) with the result being even more arms being available for each game. That would make things worse, not better. Roster expansion is right at the top of the 'be careful what you wish for' list, IMO.

Perhaps the answer should be from MLB: We are expanding the roster to 27 (or 28) but limiting the number of pitchers on the active roster to no more than 13.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 07:49 PM

With the exception of Pressley, every contract traded was on it's last year. The trades had nothing to do with keeping options open. They were to acquire additional assets in a lost season. Pressley was the only exception to this, and largely (I think) because they got an offer they felt they couldn't refuse.

I'm not sure I'd call that a grand plan to win the WS, but the best way to position yourself for a WS is to have guys that can contribute and guys you can trade to fill holes when the time is right.

And yes, in my opinion, Marwin Gonzalez was a no brainer. I'd have loved to upgrade Adrianza with him... Unfortunately, he's signed, so that ship has sailed.... oh, and yes, I agree with you that we should get another RP... not sure the starting market makes a ton of sense given our situation, but having another option in high leverage situations would be wise.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 07:56 PM

With the exception of Pressley, every contract traded was on it's last year. The trades had nothing to do with keeping options open. They were to acquire additional assets in a lost season. Pressley was the only exception to this, and largely (I think) because they got an offer they felt they couldn't refuse.

I'm not sure I'd call that a grand plan to win the WS, but the best way to position yourself for a WS is to have guys that can contribute and guys you can trade to fill holes when the time is right.

And yes, in my opinion, Marwin Gonzalez was a no brainer. I'd have loved to upgrade Adrianza with him... Unfortunately, he's signed, so that ship has sailed.... oh, and yes, I agree with you that we should get another RP... not sure the starting market makes a ton of sense given our situation, but having another option in high leverage situations would be wise.

So there and es the question freed up payroll means more money in the owner's pocket and in Falvine's christmas bonus checks. Now Jed Lowrie is gone too....if you believe Duran, Smetzer, Celestino, Raley, Dejong, Tyler Austin, or whoever they got for Rodney straight up was improving the team or putting the organization in the right direction then id like to see how. I am sure i heard a commment from the FO after these trades suggesting how the transactions free up enormous amounts of payroll to upgrade the team via free agency in 2019

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 08:16 PM

 

And yes, in my opinion, Marwin Gonzalez was a no brainer. I'd have loved to upgrade Adrianza with him... Unfortunately, he's signed, so that ship has sailed.... oh, and yes, I agree with you that we should get another RP... not sure the starting market makes a ton of sense given our situation, but having another option in high leverage situations would be wise. 

 

Marwin Gonzalez signed?

That's news to me. What did I miss. I can't find news he has signed, but I can find that he is still a free agent. For the braintrust to not sign him..... is simply irresponsible as far as I am concerned. 

 

https://www.mlb.com/...ors/c-302316766

Edited by h2oface, 10 January 2019 - 08:22 PM.

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#28 lecroy24fan

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 08:42 PM

I think he meant Adrianza has signed.


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 08:52 PM

 

I think he meant Adrianza has signed.

 

Hmmmm. Maybe. I can't read minds, or suppose for someone else, but maybe. Still, even if that is so, absolutely no reason not to upgrade with Marvin. The only reason the ship will have sailed is if Gonzalez is no longer available. I am sure Adrianza could be traded, as the whole league must think he is just as ultra valuable as the Twins seem to, right? :wacko:

 

Teams that win consistently, upgrade, regardless of whether they have someone in the position in place, and deal with the excess after.

Edited by h2oface, 10 January 2019 - 09:01 PM.