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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 10:34 PM

You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.co...Scott-Baker-Now

#2 Shane Wahl

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 10:40 PM

Absolutely they should try to do it.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:06 PM

I'm all for it.

#4 Jim Crikket

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:12 PM

I wondered the same thing when I read about Lewis' deal with the Rangers. Seems like the model for a possible Baker offer.

Here's my question, though... if Baker and his agent want exactly the same deal that Lewis got, without the 2014 option, do you sign him up for 2013 on the same terms?

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:14 PM

Well, if he thinks he can compete with all the talent in spring training...

Ha ha, painful joke.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:26 PM

Non sense, Baker is shot.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 06:52 AM

Sure, at those prices, sure. But, he would need to be your fifth or sixth option. He cannot be counted on as a top 3 guy.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:40 AM

Chances are he won't do much until may-june. Not sure that helps us much. How many 30 yr old guys have come back and been good the first year?

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:42 AM

I don't know why Baker would want to sign with us with our medical staff causing him an 8 month delay in his recovery.

Timeline:
July 5th 2011 - Scott Baker is shut down for 18 days to see if rest will help his elbow.
August 8th 2011 - Scott Baker is shut down for 44 days to see if rest will help his elbow.
September 24 2011 - Scott Baker is shut down for the offseason to see if an even longer rest will help his elbow.
April 11 2012 - Scott Baker undergoes surgery for a tendon repair surgery with a 6 month timeframe that turns into Tommy John with a 12-18 month timeframe for recovery.

I understand that rest is frequently advised with injuries but I would think after the second time of 44 days didn't do anything that they might have explored surgery at the end of 2011 instead of at the beginning of the season. If I were Baker I would be pissed this team cost him a decent contract in 2013 because he lacked recovery time from his surgery. I would also be pissed because in the back of my mind I would think that maybe if I had the surgery and didn't stress the elbow so much with all these comebacks that maybe I would have only needed the tendon repair.

http://hardballtalk....-elbow-surgery/

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:43 AM

I'm leaning toward signing him, but with the expectation that he probably won't pitch for the Twins until June... Look at how long it took Nathan to get back to normal... Every pitcher that has TJ is different, so it's a real gamble, and Baker has always been a bit inconsistent anyway... If they sign him for $1-2 million with incentives, it would certainly reduce the risk... If he works out great, if he doesn't, you don't lose much...

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:49 AM

Don't they have to wait till the offseason to decline his 2013 option on the existing deal? I don't think they can work out a deal right now.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:33 AM

... Matt Capps will begin facing batters this week. He could rejoin the Twins’ bullpen for their final series of the season

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:57 AM

Chances are he won't do much until may-june. Not sure that helps us much. How many 30 yr old guys have come back and been good the first year?


Wainwright came back just fine this year, he's 30. Chris Carpenter came back and pitched well at age 29, but maybe it's a St. Louis thing.

I'm OK with bringing back Baker on a reasonable deal, but what happens to the perception of the front office if they do re-sign him or for that matter Pavano or Capps? Fans aren't going to see Scott Baker and think of him as an exciting new off-season acquisition, in fact most fans aren't going to think of him as an acquisition at all seeing as he's always been with the Twins and lately he's been a part of the terrible Twins. Of course when the front office tries to promote it's offseason signings, Baker WOULD be included when they sit down for an interview with Neal or Chirstianson come March to discuss how they upgraded the rotaion. In other words, what ever the Twins have planned as far as free agent money, don't bother trying to deduct the price of Baker from that budget because the fans wont be buying that Baker is new money spent.

Like I said, I'd re-sign Baker, but from a PR standpoint, the front office may be better off using that money on a new name to try to sell everyone that they are attemtping to head in a new direction.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:33 AM

30yr old pitchers arent put on pitch counts.....esp on a 1 or 2 yr deal
With a late april/early may surgery....Baker should be throwing seriously by late Feb/early march.
He easily could be ready for start of season as most pitchers on tj recovery are throwing fully by 1 full yr. Even if its May 1st...thats fine.
He's better than ANY picher Terry Ryan will seriously look at.....go for it

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:51 AM

Sure, Lewis got $2M and then can make up to $6M with # of appearances and time on the major league roster, so a similar deal would work. We paid Marquis $3M this year for nothing.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 12:07 PM

I wondered the same thing when I read about Lewis' deal with the Rangers. Seems like the model for a possible Baker offer.

Here's my question, though... if Baker and his agent want exactly the same deal that Lewis got, without the 2014 option, do you sign him up for 2013 on the same terms?


I just don't see it working without the option. I think there's a huge question about when Baker might be ready to pitch next season. Given that it could be late summer before he's ready, there has to be some added incentive for the team. And that comes in the form of a 2014 option (that option could easily be in the $8 - $10 million range -- the team's control is actually more important than the exact amount as long as its not exorbitant).

#17 Seth Stohs

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 12:20 PM

If Baker will sign that same deal, the Twins should do it in a second.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:41 PM

Why would Baker sign an incentive laden deal now with Twins?? First they have $9 mill option that they have to formally decline. Wouldnt he then wait to see what other teams offer?? If Twins do it before free agency--they would probably have to guarantee at least $4 mill--cause Baker will otherwise say he will hope to get that much on market...

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 02:21 PM

I'm not saying NO, but I do have some issues on this. 1st. will he be ready by May 1st? 100%? Can he pitch 180 innings? Where is his velocity at in comparison? where is his control at? If he can't be ready until the middle of June, and his fast ball is sitting at 86 and his control isn't there. Then even a 2 million incentive base deal isn't a good one.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 05:14 PM

Offer Baker what Lewis got and run screaming for joy if he takes it.