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#21 Tuba

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:13 PM

Kinda feels like a Terry Ryan signing... 

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#22 baumannmd

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:15 PM

I think I read that Schoop was looking for a single year deal. So, even if the Twins offered a second year or an option, it's possible he wasn't interested. I don't think this is a case of the Twins being cheap.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:16 PM

Many of you are disappointed it wasn't a longer contract-but Schoop maybe only wanted a one year "prove it" contract to set himself up. Any more years might have have been too costly and too much of a risk. 

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#24 Post-Concussive Blues

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:16 PM

Seems like a good buy-low signing.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:18 PM

In a vacuum, a fine deal and the type of deal teams like the Twins need to make (and succeed at) to thrive.

 

But I'm getting sick and tired of "fine" deals. This team has a truckload of money and they need to spend some of it on players who are more "guaranteed" than "upside if things go right".

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:21 PM

 

Agreed. Though if that player shows up in Minnesota it would have been nice to have the option year on him. Otherwise we're paying premium prices next year.

Could be a flip candidate if the team tanks in 2019 and performs at previous year levels. Guy was a 5.2 WAR player in 2017, still a 1.4 WAR last year in a down season.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:21 PM

If you don't count Torreyes that puts the payroll at $72MM +/- for 19 players by my count.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:21 PM

Many of you are disappointed it wasn't a longer contract-but Schoop maybe only wanted a one year "prove it" contract to set himself up. Any more years might have have been too costly and too much of a risk.


It very well could be the case he only wants 1 year to bounce back and cash in on the lost earnings. In an ideal world I would have liked to find a way to sign him from his age 27-29 seasons. But I realize I'm not in the negotiations.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:23 PM

Could be a flip candidate if the team tanks in 2019 and performs at previous year levels. Guy was a 5.2 WAR player in 2017, still a 1.4 WAR last year in a down season.


True, but I don't look forward to potential flip candidates... Here's to hoping he has a 2016 Dozier-esc season and help the Twins make the playoffs.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:25 PM

 

True, but I don't look forward to potential flip candidates... Here's to hoping he has a 2016 Dozier-esc season and help the Twins make the playoffs.

Well, neither do I. Just looking at the situation from any angle. Obviously, you hope first and foremost the Twins and Schoop play well.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:31 PM

 

Kinda feels like a Terry Ryan signing... 

 

 

If Schoop was 39 and three years removed from playing MLB I would agree.

 

I like Schoop the player. I hate one year contracts.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:43 PM

I’ll repost what I wrote yesterday or two days ago on the “Schoop, Avisail non-tendered” thread:

“Looking at Schoop’s track record, he has posted four seasons in the minors and two seasons in the majors of at least 780 OPS. He had a bad year last year, but he’s still very young and looks like an excellent bounce back candidate.”

Like the move. Polanco-Schoop could make a very strong hitting MI.

As for his low OBP, sure, it would be nice if he was at 350+. But I kind of like a 30HR, 800OPS 2B who is aggressive.

Edited by AlwaysinModeration, 06 December 2018 - 05:01 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:50 PM

Jed Lowrie or Daniel Murphy would have been the player I would have rather seen them sign.

 

I can also say I would have rather waited for another team to pick up a 2b first. Hate to think it's another classic Twins overpay. Just because he was projected to make $10M doesn't mean you need to pay him close to that.

 

My guess is that Dozier will sign for $4M.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:04 PM

I'm not overly excited about the Schoop signing but it's not a bad signing either. If he has a bounce back year at all it could be a very good signing.

 

With both of signings today the Twins are at a full 40 man roster and they clearly need to add at least 1 if not 2 bullpen arms and it would be nice to add a right handed OF. So, who are the DFA candidates when they sign the next player?


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:04 PM

So this gives us Sano, Polanco, Schoop, Adrianza and Torres to man SS/2B/3B. We have Cron/Austin at 1B/DH, Rosario/Buxton/Cave/KeplerReed in the OF and Garver/Castro/AStudillo at C. That means 2 things. Assuming 13 pitchers, I think a safe assumption, this group of 15 has to lose 3 just to get to the 25 man roster. I think it's going to be tough for Austin, Astudillo and Reed to make the team unless there's an injury and Kepler or Cave is going to spend time at 1B. Second, that's it for signing Free agents other than pitchers unless there's a great deal out there in February. No Dozier reunion, no Forsythe, no Nelson Cruz

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:06 PM

4mm for Dozier ouch!! Bout rite though. Shoop's an ironic signing around here with all the obp talk. I've seen Shoop spank the twins before and noticed him. No doubt he has a chance to do some damage this year but I too would like to see some big money dropped

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:23 PM

Jonathan Schoop should be like your safety school equivalent to this year's 2B free agent market. He's the guy you have in your back pocket just in case you get rejected by everyone else above him.

 

I'm not necessarily saying this is a bad signing, but I will say that I don't think Schoop fits in real well with the rest of the offense. More than anything, I'm just disappointed (barring something unforeseen) this means the Twins won't be getting Marwin, Lowrie or LeMahieu, all of whom I'd prefer over Schoop. I might have even preferred Asdrubal Cabrera.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:31 PM

Not a fan of this signing, or the way the FO has approached this offseason so far. Yeah we have a lot of untapped potential throughout our lineup, but even our “numbers driven” FO understands this (most of us at TD even understand this), you can’t score runs if you can’t get on base...

Think about it, our FO could’ve easily signed Cruz/Lowrie/Murphy/LeMahieu/Dietrich, they could’ve traded for C. Santana, we could’ve easily been the favorites to win the division, and yet this is the best they can do?? Something’s up, because I know they’re smarter than this.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:37 PM

Oh boy! a 1 year deal.....they really know how to build for the long term!

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I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:38 PM

 

In a vacuum, a fine deal and the type of deal teams like the Twins need to make (and succeed at) to thrive.

 

But I'm getting sick and tired of "fine" deals. This team has a truckload of money and they need to spend some of it on players who are more "guaranteed" than "upside if things go right".

 

This. All the moves look good in a vacuum, but we don't live in a vacuum. In context of the other moves, you end up with 5-10 holes every year, because you refuse to acquire long term help.

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I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.