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#21 Tomj14

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:00 PM

 

Nope. It says at least try to add some great players. No place does it say sell the whole future. As opposed to posters who want all the stars to assign before adding expensive players from outside.

Mike you are on fire today!!!

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:12 PM

Ugh, three 1B?What is this...beer league softball?

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:13 PM

 

Nope. It says at least try to add some great players. No place does it say sell the whole future. As opposed to posters who want all the stars to assign before adding expensive players from outside.

 

If we don't want one group of posters to be classified as wanting to sell the future, we probably shouldn't be classifying another as wanting all the stars to align.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:27 PM

Twins have 21 B- prospects, most clubs do not have 10. This is what I am suggesting to use some of them to improve the major league product. There are many clubs tanking now, time to make some deals.
This does not mean the top prospects, just use some of the near major league talent to improve the Twins
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:29 PM

The real question is how much Tom and Steve paid Seth to put all those Astrudillo comments in there.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:33 PM

I'd say we definitely need to add some guys. They have 2C, 4 OF, 3 IF, a backup IF, and a DH. That's 11 guys. I would be against 13 pitchers, but sadly, that's becoming more norm. If would definitely go out and get a 2B/SS. I'd probably get another lefty bat as well, preferably with some positional flexibility. That can allow Cron/Austin to get the occasional day off against a tough righty. I'm fine with Adrianza being the backup, but I could also see parting ways with him, especially if they picked up Marwin Gonazlez.. 

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:52 PM

 

I disagree strongly with this assessment. Sano and Adrianza can more than adequately man third base. There are other options as well.  But for me, Sano is our 3B, until something happens and he cannot do it. For me, moving Sano to 1B is not an option. Having him DH full time is not an option. He should be at 3B. That's his position.

 

I'm curious why should he be at 3B? Why does that have to be his position? Why so opposed to moving him?


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:06 PM

 

Nope. It says at least try to add some great players. No place does it say sell the whole future. As opposed to posters who want all the stars to assign before adding expensive players from outside.

 

Yours is the right approach IMO. Twins should always be looking to upgrade, every year with guys that can be here for a few years. People say they aren't ready to contend next year. Yep, they probably are not. But getting a 26 year old stud pitcher should pay dividends for 3-4 more years. When a chance to get a real stud or difference maker is there, if your team can make it happen without screwing up your roster or sadly payroll in the Twins world, you should do it. Waiting around for every player to have career years or be "ready" to contend is a never ending battle with no end in sight. 

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:13 PM

Machado is a great fit for any team. Top 10 players are great fits for any team. Talent wise. Payroll wise is a different story. The Rays went out and signed their superstar to a team friendly deal and still couldn't fill in enough talent around him to ever really threaten for a championship. Signing a guy like Machado out of free agency for one of the two richest contracts in baseball history is not a way to build a contender. The reality is this team is never going to be in a position to sign guys like that while the Pohlads are in charge. Building from within and signing veterans to 3-4 year deals in free agency is how they compete. Blowing up the budget just to say they got a premiere guy is how they win the headlines and lose games. Look at Seattle if you want to see how the works out for teams that can't afford to give long term contracts to guys that won't perform for the entirety of their contract. And their budget is way higher than ours. The Twins can't afford to have huge chunks of wasted payroll. I love Mauer, but if that contract proved anything that was it. Machado is not a smart signing.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:25 PM

 

If this is correct, which I hope it isn't, I wouldn't expect the Twins to do anything significant any time soon.


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:28 PM

 

 

If this is correct, which I hope it isn't, I wouldn't expect the Twins to do anything significant any time soon.

 

Disappointing.

 

Though I'm happy Wolfson got some intel for us.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:31 PM



If this is correct, which I hope it isn't, I wouldn't expect the Twins to do anything significant any time soon.


So they're continuing to explore the 1 year contract path. Even when Falvey and Levine admitted that signing players on 1 year deals hurt the team last year.

Wow.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:33 PM

 

 

If this is correct, which I hope it isn't, I wouldn't expect the Twins to do anything significant any time soon.

 

It's just business as usual here in Twins territory. One year deals on mid level guys. Yippee. Just bring up guys from the farm if this is the approach. Unless those free agents are complimentary guys, then I guess whatever. 

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:34 PM

 

So they're continuing to explore the 1 year contract path. Even when Falvey and Levine admitted that signing players on 1 year deals hurt the team last year.

Wow.

 

The only way I'll be ok with this is if it's for a Nelson Cruz or a good bullpen piece. 

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:38 PM

 

Twins have 21 B- prospects, most clubs do not have 10. This is what I am suggesting to use some of them to improve the major league product. There are many clubs tanking now, time to make some deals.
This does not mean the top prospects, just use some of the near major league talent to improve the Twins

Assuming you're referring to Sickels' rankings?He has 21 Twins prospects as B- or higher (including B-/C+ and C+/B-).So far, Sickels rated 7 orgs, and all 7 have more than 10 of these prospects.MIN leads with 21, KC has 18, ATL 14, CIN 13, LA & BOS 12, SEA 11.Sadly, I don't know if we'll get the other orgs as I'm not sure where Sickels will end up.  

But I think the depth of the Twins prospects might be overstated a little.I don't think a few B- prospects will bring back much MLB talent.IMHO, of course.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 03:03 PM

 

 

If this is correct, which I hope it isn't, I wouldn't expect the Twins to do anything significant any time soon.

This isn't surprising, just depressing. It doesn't matter who the GM is, ownership isn't going to open up the payroll. We have literally $0 on the books for 2020 but 30m/yr for Machado isn't even possible to discuss. I'm really not surprised but, gah. I don't know if there will ever be a safer blue chip FA option than him. 

 

We'll go into the year with a payroll around 110-120 and we're going to have to see the young core play better. FA is going to be adding fringe parts but not difference makers. It is what it is. Payroll currently sits at about 71. We could add Cruz on something like 2/32m and still add some relief arms. Cruz would really help the team, both for his bat but also for his mentoring. I'd like him to talk to Sano about being an all around hitter.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 03:23 PM

To add to my concerns about Buxton and Sano.I know we have been told to be patient and to wait, they are young, but I keep seeing young players coming in and setting the league on fire.Here is an ESPN article about all the 25 and younger new stars:  http://www.espn.com/...league-baseballWe keep waiting and hoping, but we still have to be ready to be realistic.Something went wrong and I wish I knew what it was.But when I keep seeing everyone write we should be going after it in 2019 I think about what we have and this summary was really good, but also "Buxton struggled early and then broke his toe and was never really given a chance to recover properly. But when healthy and with his legs (and feet and toes) under him), he's the best outfielder in the game."Which is not the case.He has the potential to be the best in the game, but it has not happened except for very short stretches.I want us fortified if Buxton and Sano are busts and if they are not - all the better. 

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 03:28 PM

 

To add to my concerns about Buxton and Sano.I know we have been told to be patient and to wait, they are young, but I keep seeing young players coming in and setting the league on fire.Here is an ESPN article about all the 25 and younger new stars:  http://www.espn.com/...league-baseballWe keep waiting and hoping, but we still have to be ready to be realistic.Something went wrong and I wish I knew what it was.But when I keep seeing everyone write we should be going after it in 2019 I think about what we have and this summary was really good, but also "Buxton struggled early and then broke his toe and was never really given a chance to recover properly. But when healthy and with his legs (and feet and toes) under him), he's the best outfielder in the game."Which is not the case.He has the potential to be the best in the game, but it has not happened except for very short stretches.I want us fortified if Buxton and Sano are busts and if they are not - all the better. 

Buxton was a 5 WAR player a year ago and Sano was an all-star. I'd put the blame a lot more on Molitor and his staff and assume that the new manager has a few ideas about this. There simply is too much talent in those two guys to assume they'll bust. 

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 03:30 PM

This roster looks like a 65 win team right now. Adding three or four bargain basement FA makes this team a 68 win team.

 

Make some real moves to show you have some sort of interest in winning for a change.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 03:34 PM

 

This isn't surprising, just depressing. It doesn't matter who the GM is, ownership isn't going to open up the payroll. We have literally $0 on the books for 2020 but 30m/yr for Machado isn't even possible to discuss. I'm really not surprised but, gah. I don't know if there will ever be a safer blue chip FA option than him. 

 

We'll go into the year with a payroll around 110-120 and we're going to have to see the young core play better. FA is going to be adding fringe parts but not difference makers. It is what it is. Payroll currently sits at about 71. We could add Cruz on something like 2/32m and still add some relief arms. Cruz would really help the team, both for his bat but also for his mentoring. I'd like him to talk to Sano about being an all around hitter.

It is like blaming Molitor for the team frustration when the FO gave him the players.We really do not know the ownership restrictions.

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