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#41 Brandon Warne

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 01:38 PM

 

 

I was just going to say this. Launch angle and all these new metrics are garbage. They may be fine for power hitters but not for everyone. A little more patience at the plate and hitting the ball where it's pitched to would help.

 

The biggest thing that has killed me lately that the "professional hitters" can't beat a shift. A half swing for a lefty where the 3rd basemen is supposed to play is an easy double.

 

If it was that easy, hitters would do it. 

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 02:11 PM

Daniel Murphy has a career .344 OBP (and .299 BA). He might sign a reasonable 2-3 year deal...

 

I like the Bour idea...except platoon him with Cron, not Austin. 

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 02:12 PM

For all of you posting we should sign Harper we have a better chance of winning the lottery than we signing him to come play for the Twins.First is the Twins would never spend than kind of money one player that he's asking for and second is he would never come to the Twins a small market club and one that is not competitive. The Truth be told i don't think we have shot at any of the top free agents right now they don't want to noncompetitive team like the Twins. Also the Twins are in no position to sign this type of free agent until they better idea of structure of this team.

This team has regressed from last year at this time with only hope is that Buxton, Sano, Kepler, and Rosario continue to improve from their peak performances past couple of years. Second that Gordon can make the leap to majors this year and make some impact at the major league level. Also that young pitchers can come up provide quality major league pitching. All these things considered there are lot of ifs which usually equates in not that great a season ahead of us. I look at this club were going to really struggle to score runs not good thing with young pitching staff and more middle of row starters. Look at this team by position 1st. base Cron more power hitting but not the on base percentage of Mauer and definite down grade at fielding. Second base hasn't been filled but longterm probably Gordon; SS we have Polanco viable fielding and overall above average hitting ss; Sano at third base not sure what we have could be all star 3rd baseman or total flop if he doesn't figure out how to hit consistently; Catcher we have Castro adequate but still big question if he can come back from injury, and Garver who could become good backup catcher; LF we have Rosario a major league ready player that overall is slightly above average; CF we have Buxton already best defensive center fielder in the game but can he learn to hit in the Major leagues; RF Kepler above average defensive fielding right fielder and could become above average hitting right fielder. Cave 4 outfielder could be above average both fielding and hitting but here again very short sample size for fielder that has struggled to staying with organizations; DH position that still open but could be filled by several of the current players.This is not team that is poised win it all its a team that could be torn down by August if players have repeatof next year. The funny thing is that these players have won all way up through baseball until they have reached majors. If they fail this year will it because of the players or is it the organization that has failed to help these players win at this level by overloading them with information and new theories on how to play baseball. I think ownership and business people of Twins are going to be tested this year because the decline of attendance and fans following this club are going to continue to decline. Here again were following Cleveland model even when they been winning they have not had increase in attendance. The new baseball people are ruing the game by making it boring to watch and for ever to get games played in normal amount of time. 

They need to get rules on number pitching changes in game and how positional players are positioned during the game for starters and penalties for teams that are tanking to get better draft picks. These changes would add more offense and teams would go back to caring more positional players than pitchers and finally teams would have to try to win or they would loose their draft picks because of it. If not were going see gradual decline of baseball further and especially with younger generation.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 02:46 PM

Why were we not in on Jean Segura?.353 OBP over the past 3 seasons, and would've filled a positional need. 

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 03:38 PM

Why were we not in on Jean Segura? .353 OBP over the past 3 seasons, and would've filled a positional need.


Great question B Good. I'm utterly disappointed in the off-season so far for our Twins.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 03:52 PM

 

None of these guys are going to swing the needle much so why not lose while developing and evaulating the prospects?

 

A two-point response:

 

The prospects ARE being developed and evaluated, and it won't require the MLB team to suck as badly as it would with the likes of Gordon and Rooker flailing away at the plate before they're ready, if they ever are.

 

The right additions, all very doable ones for cash money with no prospect loss, WILL potentially move the needle. Two premium RP's, and maybe Cutch, Lowrie, and possibly Bour.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 03:54 PM

 

Why were we not in on Jean Segura?.353 OBP over the past 3 seasons, and would've filled a positional need. 

 

 

Can't wait for LaVelle E. Neal's incisive questioning on this. Falvey's sweating bullets.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 04:05 PM

Can't wait for LaVelle E. Neal's incisive questioning on this. Falvey's sweating bullets.


He only works part time so he's watching the Chicago Bears. He starts his job again in spring training.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 04:38 PM

 

He only works part time so he's watching the Chicago Bears. He starts his job again in spring training.

 

 

Who's gonna notice?

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#50 Brandon Warne

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:08 PM

 

Why were we not in on Jean Segura?.353 OBP over the past 3 seasons, and would've filled a positional need. 

 

...because the closest thing the Twins have to Crawford is probably Byron Buxton, and the Twins probably aren't looking at a four-year solution at shortstop. 

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#51 Mike Sixel

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:10 PM

 

...because the closest thing the Twins have to Crawford is probably Byron Buxton, and the Twins probably aren't looking at a four-year solution at shortstop. 

Buxton for Segura. Move Lewis to CF......problem solved. 

Edited by Mike Sixel, 03 December 2018 - 05:10 PM.

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:35 PM

 

Buxton for Segura. Move Lewis to CF......problem solved. 

 

Hard pass.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:48 PM

It was always disappointing when Mauer would work a walk with RISP. How about trying to drive in a run once in awhile? They need to be more aggressive at the plate.


Sure was. We don’t need 1-out surprise bunts, either. Time to wake up the bats.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:51 PM

 

Are you suggesting he swing at balls? Mauer has one of the highest batting averages with RISP in modern MLB history so criticizing him on this front seems off base. 

 

This team ain't lacking for guys who will reach for one and try to drive in a run. 

I'm suggesting he could swing at a pitch that might be 1/4" inch out of the strike zone rather than hope that a lesser hitter drives in the run. His anemic RBI totals show that. Escobar drove in more runs and Garver & Cave drove in almost as many in far fewer AB.


#55 Mike Sixel

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 06:15 PM

 

Hard pass.

 

That's a fair stance, but Buxton has 4 years left, and Segura 3. Which one is more likely to be good during that time?

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I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 06:20 PM

 

That's a fair stance, but Buxton has 4 years left, and Segura 3. Which one is more likely to be good during that time?

 

I'm not going to commit $60 million, move Lewis off short and sell low on Buxton.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 06:39 PM

 

I'm not going to commit $60 million, move Lewis off short and sell low on Buxton.

 

That wasn't the question, but again, fair answer.......how would you suggest they get better, if you won't commit money for FAs, because that's what the good ones cost? I am assuming you aren't trading off Lewis or Kiriloff either.....

I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 07:16 PM

 

Great question B Good. I'm utterly disappointed in the off-season so far for our Twins.

Really? They've claimed one guy off waivers and several teams have made zero moves thus far. There is a ton of time for things to happen.

 

Oh, and do you remember how Twins Daily's general opinions regarding the offseason have usually gone?

 

2016 Offseason - "They only signed Jason Castro! We're gonna lose 100 games again!"

Result: The Twins were close to clinching a wildcard spot, finished above .500 somehow

 

2017 Offseason - "The Twins failed to sign Yu Darvish and haven't picked up anybody - only the awful Anibal Sanchez ! It's a failure of an offseason!"

Result: Avoiding Darvish was a godsend. Sanchez pitched great for Atlanta... whoops.

 

2017 Spring Training - "We signed Logan Morrison, Addison Reed, and Lance Lynn for cheap! We can win the division this year!" (I'll admit I was on this bandwagon)

Result: All three players were major flops and contributed to a poor season 

 

2018 Nov/Dec - "We shouldn't have claimed C. J. Cron!"

 

 

Do we really have any idea how things are going to play out? I'm at the point where I'm going to expect the opposite of what seems reasonable to us.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 07:47 PM

Really? They've claimed one guy off waivers and several teams have made zero moves thus far. There is a ton of time for things to happen.

Oh, and do you remember how Twins Daily's general opinions regarding the offseason have usually gone?

2016 Offseason - "They only signed Jason Castro! We're gonna lose 100 games again!"
Result: The Twins were close to clinching a wildcard spot, finished above .500 somehow

2017 Offseason - "The Twins failed to sign Yu Darvish and haven't picked up anybody - only the awful Anibal Sanchez ! It's a failure of an offseason!"
Result: Avoiding Darvish was a godsend. Sanchez pitched great for Atlanta... whoops.

2017 Spring Training - "We signed Logan Morrison, Addison Reed, and Lance Lynn for cheap! We can win the division this year!" (I'll admit I was on this bandwagon)
Result: All three players were major flops and contributed to a poor season

2018 Nov/Dec - "We shouldn't have claimed C. J. Cron!"


Do we really have any idea how things are going to play out? I'm at the point where I'm going to expect the opposite of what seems reasonable to us.


The missing strategy seems to be "signed good help."
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:25 PM

Really? They've claimed one guy off waivers and several teams have made zero moves thus far. There is a ton of time for things to happen.

Oh, and do you remember how Twins Daily's general opinions regarding the offseason have usually gone?

2016 Offseason - "They only signed Jason Castro! We're gonna lose 100 games again!"
Result: The Twins were close to clinching a wildcard spot, finished above .500 somehow

2017 Offseason - "The Twins failed to sign Yu Darvish and haven't picked up anybody - only the awful Anibal Sanchez ! It's a failure of an offseason!"
Result: Avoiding Darvish was a godsend. Sanchez pitched great for Atlanta... whoops.

2017 Spring Training - "We signed Logan Morrison, Addison Reed, and Lance Lynn for cheap! We can win the division this year!" (I'll admit I was on this bandwagon)
Result: All three players were major flops and contributed to a poor season

2018 Nov/Dec - "We shouldn't have claimed C. J. Cron!"


Do we really have any idea how things are going to play out? I'm at the point where I'm going to expect the opposite of what seems reasonable to us.


And, here we are again, with no holes filled for all those moves. Because they are all short term, meh, signings.
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I remain hopeful on Buxton and Sano.....but I'd not bet the franchise on them.