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Article: Thought Exercise: What Would You Give For Cano & Diaz?

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#21 nicksaviking

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:09 AM

 

Cano has been a MVP candidate 7 of the last 9 years and was on his way last year and a WAR of 53.8, so of course the Twins don't need him.

 

Well that 9 years part should be a red flag, most ball players don't make it that long.

 

I think Cano can still be useful, but not at that price tag and prospect cost, you could get his production for much less. Jeff McNeil was their 2B down the stretch last year, he hit as well as Cano did and he's ten years younger.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:11 AM

 

I love how Carole and nick liked my post as I completely changed it......

 

Well whatever it was before, I agree with it now. I think this year's free agent relief class is a goldmine.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:32 AM

If we are really on the path to the WS, it is still 2 years away (probably 3 or 4) and where would Cano be at that time - ask the Angels about big contracts for once great players.This is a NO all the way, but thanks for asking.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:40 AM

 

If we are really on the path to the WS, it is still 2 years away (probably 3 or 4) and where would Cano be at that time - ask the Angels about big contracts for once great players.This is a NO all the way, but thanks for asking.

 

I actually thought Cano may be able to age better than most since he has very good on base skills, but Albert Pujols is a good example to the contrary. His lessened bat skills wouldn't be nearly as noticeable if he was still able to work a count to draw a walk. That seems pretty uncommon, but I guess not unheard of.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:42 AM

 

If we are really on the path to the WS, it is still 2 years away (probably 3 or 4) and where would Cano be at that time - ask the Angels about big contracts for once great players.This is a NO all the way, but thanks for asking.

On the flip side, ask the A's, Brewers, Royals and Orioles what it is like to have a reliever with a sub-2.00 ERA and a 40%+ strikeout rate. A team can pencil over a lot of roster issues if the back end of the bullpen basically stops giving up runs.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:49 AM

 

On the flip side, ask the A's, Brewers, Royals and Orioles what it is like to have a reliever with a sub-2.00 ERA and a 40%+ strikeout rate. A team can pencil over a lot of roster issues if the back end of the bullpen basically stops giving up runs.

I would take the reliever- but not the Cano baggage. 


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:50 AM

twins would be better off talking joe mauer outa retirement. which isn't a very good idea, either.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:51 AM

Cano? Nothing. Bad seed.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:59 AM

 

I would take the reliever- but not the Cano baggage. 

Sure, but the reliever on his own probably costs Kirilloff or Lewis. Cano+Diaz costs maybe Nick Gordon.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 11:07 AM

My two cents about a hypothetical Cano-Diaz trade.

 

Cano+Diaz is roughly value neutral. Diaz's surplus value basically cancels Cano's underwater deal.

I'd ask for $45M from the Mariners to offset some of Cano's salary, but I'd specificly require it to be spread across years 2021-2023. So Cano's contract essentially would become:

2-yr, $48M deal

3-yr, $27M deal

In return, I'd send Nick Gordon and one of Meija, Stewart, Gonsalves, Thorpe.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 11:13 AM

 

Sure, but the reliever on his own probably costs Kirilloff or Lewis. Cano+Diaz costs maybe Nick Gordon.

I understand, but I would trade potential before being stuck with obvious and expensive regression in Cano.


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 12:31 PM

I just want to point out that, per Bleacher Report, the Mariners have the worst farm system:

https://bleacherrepo...018-milb-season

So, if their fire sale continues, the Twins would be a good partner.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 03:41 PM

Still have a hard time believing that a 1-2 inning guy like Diaz (and Cano’s contract) is worth any of Kirilloff, Graterol, Lewis, or Romero. Hypothetically, my highest offer to Dipoto would’ve been Gonsalves, Arraez, Celestino, and Duran. And depending on how the talks are progressing, I might make Javier, Gordon, and Enlow available too.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:38 PM

Well, an aging first-baseman/DH who costs 24M and OPS+'s 115 (realistic expectation for Cano in 2019) is better than what we've had. And I'd love to have Diaz...so, I would have liked a shot at doing that deal. I would have given up about what the Mets did. Which is not much. (I assume, once named, the prospects will be of the Thorpe/Gordon/Gonsalves/Stewart/Rooker ilk...if not, I think they gave up more than they needed to.)

 

Coming off an 89-win season, the Mariners part ways with one of their best young players...for the sole purpose of getting out from under a long-term contract.Not a great look for the game.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:48 PM

Here is the roto projection for Cano in 2019 - and remember he will be going down from here on.  http://rotoprofessor...seball/?p=34410


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:50 PM

Not sure what a Twins package would’ve looked like. I do believe they could’ve sent lesser prospects than what the Mets did, with Twins not needing to send back a bad contract like Bruce or Swarzy. But here it goes; Kepler + Reed + Gordon + Stewart.
Cave makes Kepler expendable, Reed = Swarzy , Arraez > Gordon, and Stewart = meh.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:04 PM

 

The Twins absolutely should stay away from players with talent and big salaries and pin their hope on prospects, that way the fans always have hope for future.

Being against silly deals for guys like Cano is as dumb as hoping every prospect pans out.You are playing both ends against the middle.

 

It is stunning how many of these threads have surfaced lately...

Bumgarner, Cano, Grienke???

It almost feels like people want big names just to say we got a big name


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:10 PM

 

Being against silly deals for guys like Cano is as dumb as hoping every prospect pans out.You are playing both ends against the middle.

 

It is stunning how many of these threads have surfaced lately...

Bumgarner, Cano, Grienke???

It almost feels like people want big names just to say we got a big name

I'm old enough to remember the Sears Christmas catalog. When it came it was I want that and that and that.... 

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:12 PM

You can never fail when your goal is always three years from today.


You can never fail when your goal is always three years from today.


You said that three years ago, too.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:50 PM

You said that three years ago, too.


To the minute, apparently.

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