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Article: Seth's Preliminary Top 30 Twins Prospect Rankings

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#61 gagu

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 10:27 PM

 

I think he was in the 40s somewhere. He is another example of the strong depth in the organization. But, he was an 11th round pick this year. Would that mean that I should almost have the 8-10 players drafted ahead of him ahead of him? He got off to a great pro debut,, but I always try to temper that just a little. 

I think the main reason he isn't higher at this point is that at 22 years of age, Helman was older than the competition at both E-town and Cedar Rapids. I had him at #35 in mid-August. He hit for average and power, and of his 3 errors he committed in 178 chances, two of them occurred in the lone games he played at SS and in left field. Just one error in 178 chances at 2B.A lot to like, but now he needs to produce against more experienced competition in 2019.

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#62 MN_ExPat

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 07:10 AM

Glavine did that in his 3rd pro season, age 21, two years younger and 3 pro season's ahead of Gonsalves. At Gonsalves's age he went 14-8 with 3.68 ERA, pitched 186 innings, with 1.14 WHIP. Slightly different outcome there.

Not entirely my point, but not arguing it really either.

Although Baseball Reference has that line listed as Glavine’s MLB debut year (unless I misread it, which has been known to happen before).

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#63 jkcarew

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 10:52 AM

 

Just for fun, here are some career numbers. Leader among the group in bold ...

 

MLB

Gonsalves 6.57 ERA, 2.03 WHIP, 0.73 K:BB in 24.2 IP

Littell 6.20 ERA, 1.77 WHIP, 1.27 K:BB in 20.1 IP

Stewart 3.68 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, 1.33 K:BB in 36.2 IP

 

AAA

Gonsalves 3.44 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 1.86 K:BB in 123 IP

Thorpe 3.32 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 4.33 K:BB in 21.2 IP

Littell 3.57 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 2.45 K:BB in 106 IP

Stewart 4.34 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, 2.69 K:BB in 45.2 IP

 

AA

Gonsalves 2.23 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 3.00 K:BB in 182 IP

Thorpe 3.71 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 4.31 K:BB in 114 IP

Littell 3.15 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 3.55 K:BB in 108.2 IP

Stewart 3.87 ERA, 1.51 WHIP, 1.55 K:BB in 237 IP

 

Minors (all levels)

Gonsalves 2.46 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 2.66 K:BB in 599 IP

Thorpe 3.18 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 3.53 K:BB in 328.1 IP

Littell 3.36 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 3.41 K:BB in 667.1 IP

Stewart 3.36 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 1.89 K:BB in 570.2 IP

Interesting.Thanks.

 

And my argument would not be that Gonsalves has no chance based on the debut, or even that I would have Stewart ranked higher than Gonsalves.Just that based on the small sample my eyeballs experienced this fall, I wouldn't put a distance of 13 prospects between the two, as Seth has here with Gonsalves at 7 and Stewart at 20.But that's what makes these things fun!

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#64 Jim Hahn

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 12:17 PM

I rather liked Stewart better than Gonsalves during their debuts this fall based on stuff. Neither probably missed enough bats, but Stewart really limited hard contact. Even when struggling with control and/or his secondary pitches, he wasn't hit hard very often. Gonsalves appears to need very sharp command if he is going to effective in the majors. The reports that he was further along in understanding how to pitch compared to Stewart appear accurate.

I don't know if either is ready for the majors but I think both are pretty close. I think both should be able to start in the majors with Stewart having the higher ceiling.

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 12:23 PM

Seth, I was thinking about staying home this winter, and now you've ruined that thought. Looking out the window at all the new fresh fallen snow, and reading this, mymind is swaying.

he gone!


#66 Doomtints

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 05:34 PM

Back to the OP ... it's nice to finally see some turnover on the prospect lists. Lots of newer names.




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