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#21 nicksaviking

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 10:59 AM

I don't think Reed gets added, they've already shown their hand with him. I wouldn't worry about Jay and so far I haven't seen the new front office overly attached to the previous front office's big ticket draft picks. I could see Nick Anderson added but he's a bit long in the tooth. I might actually predict that Cody Stashak is the most likely reliever to be added. It looks like they've started grooming him to be a multi inning reliever and he's starting to build some good momentum.


#22 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:00 AM

That's with them added


According to bbref, adding those 3 puts them at 41.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:02 AM

BTW, Brusdal Graterol was signed on August 29th of 2014 and the MiLB season ended on September 1st that year, so he is Rule 5 eligible and a no-brainer to be added.

Rule 5( c )( 1 )( C ): if the signing date of a player’s first Major or Minor League contract is between
 (i)  the conclusion of the championship season for the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is assigned on such contract and
 (ii) the next Rule 5 Selection Meeting,
then the player shall be deemed to have signed after the next Rule 5 Selection Meeting, for purposes of this Rule

 

The term “championship season” shall refer to the full schedule of regular-season games that has been approved for a Major or Minor League Club in accordance with the provisions of Rule 32.

 

The above excerpts are taken from THE OFFICIAL PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL RULES BOOK.

 

I don't know which team he was assigned to, but in 2014 the DSL finished its regular season around August 21. So for Rule 5 purposes I take this to mean he counts as a 2015 signing, and thus he has one more year.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:10 AM

 

Not a lot of room to add the fringy bubble players when there's already several bubble players on the 40. Are any of these relievers better than Busenitz, Curtiss, and Duffey?

Reed is better than 2 of them.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:27 AM

 

I wonder if Tyler Jay would even be up for consideration if he hadn't have been a firstround draft pick a few yearsback. Doesn't seem like he's earned his way onto the 40-man roster otherwise.

 

It''s a reality. That is and should be a factor for all teams. But, as we saw last year with Stewart, it isn't the biggest factor.

 

A bigger factor will be his stuff. Second, they have Taylor Rogers and Gabriel Moya in the big leagues and Andrew Vasquez has passed Jay as a LH RP option. They also will factor in if they plan to go get a LH RP in free agency, and also, how they could potentially uses these guys. 

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:29 AM

 

BTW, Brusdal Graterol was signed on August 29th of 2014 and the MiLB season ended on September 1st that year, so he is Rule 5 eligible and a no-brainer to be added.

 

But the GCL and DSL seasons were over, so he's not eligible... at least that's what I've been told by a few people. 

 

If that is wrong, then he is #1 on the Given list. For sure. 

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:29 AM

I would add Weil personally, though if they can get away with not adding him, that's great. I suppose with him being a 1B/DH type, he's likely to not be selected.

 

I also think they should be looking at trading some guys like Stewart, Slegers, Littell, or Gonsalves. They won't be able to keep all of them, and flipping one of them for some help elsewhere or prospects makes sense. They need a 2B and could use a flex player. Not sure you'd get an allstar, but I'd like to believe one or two of those guys could net a decent ML piece.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:31 AM

In my "offseason blueprint" I've been casually working on, I'm currently clearing 11 spots on the 40-man, filling 4 or 5 of them with FA big league signings, then filling the rest with Gordon, Wade, and Triple-A/Double-A pitchers. 11 seems like a lot of spots but I'm not concerned about any of the names I included.

 

The greater loss to the Twins could be in the minor league portion of the draft but again the two they might lose isn’t earth shattering.
 

 

Yeah, literally no one of consequence has been selected in the minor league phase of the rule 5 drafts history. Baseball America answered a question I submitted about this a few years ago referring to Max Kepler. The baseball america link doesn't appear to work anymore, but there is this thread:

 

http://twinsdaily.co...and-max-kepler/

 

But in that article they talked about protection of players in the minors. There's "reserve" rosters (which aren't published to the masses) at Triple-A and Double-A. Literally all of a team's top prospects will be on the Triple-A version of this roster, even if they're at Low-A while eligible. That means they could only be selected in the MLB phase. 

 

Same thing for the double-A version of the roster, players on it can only be selected in the MLB or Triple-A phase. These total rosters amount to around 115 players, so you're buying from the bottom of a system's barrel in the minor league phase.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:34 AM

Who gets protected is dependent upon who gets designated.Hildenberger, May, Reed, Rogers are not going anywhere. Busenitz, Curtis, De Jong, Drake, Duffreyl, MaGill, Moya,Vasquez versus Reed, Anderson or Jay.Likewise they have Gonsalves, Jorge, Romero, Slegers, Stuart and Thorpe. A few are obvious still keepers, but how many do they protect ?Would nay team really want to keep them?

 

Arraez and Rortvedt are interesting calls. Arraez is a throwback type 2b On base but one at a time.Some team will think they can teach Rortvedt to hit well enough to be backup if his defense is good. He is barely 21.It would seem unwise to leave him available given catching talent in the league. Does a tanking team take him for future value.

 

 


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:39 AM

 

The Twins should have 5 roster spots. givens are Anderson and Reed and Gordon. I would also consider Arraez.

After that you add by subtraction. Is Wade better than Grossman as an example.

No one else Stan’s out as being an exceptional add that probably won’t be passed by someone in the system that doesn’t need roster protection. The greater loss to the Twins could be in the minor league portion of the draft but again the two they might lose isn’t earth shattering.

The odd guy is Quezada. Could he be a Santana-like pick that could blossom as a backend keeper for a rebuilding team looking at a guy to contribute three years out?

The Twins gave to make decisions on the starting depth. And they will have names like Granite and Slegers and Dejueng not to mention Duffey or Busenutz that could be removed for free agents or signing other “better” 40-man guys released by other teams.

The other question is who besides Bard and Baxendale will walk as free agents. Is Navaretto a minor league free agent? If so that may be the only reason to add him if you can’t resign him to a minor league contract.

 

Navarreto was drafted in 2013, so he's not a free agent for another year. Bard and Baxendale became free agents at the end of the World Series. 

 

One thing for people to remember... The Twins will DFA some more guys before they add a few guys. I don't expect them to add too many. Remember,, those players added can't be removed from the 40-man roster until sometime in spring training. So, they'll leave some open roster spots and they'll keep some guys on the 40-man roster that they can DFA during the winter if needed. 

 

Do we know if LaMonte Wade is better than Robbie Grossman? I don't know that. I would say No right now. 

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:40 AM

 

 

According to bbref, adding those 3 puts them at 41.

Bref lists Belisle as being on the 40 man. Most would and should assume gone as Belisle was signed to a one year contract without options.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:41 AM

 

According to bbref, adding those 3 puts them at 41.

 

Yeah but Matt Belisle and Joe Mauer shouldn't be on it... Use the official MLB site(s) for roster stuff...

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:46 AM

 

Who gets protected is dependent upon who gets designated.Hildenberger, May, Reed, Rogers are not going anywhere. Busenitz, Curtis, De Jong, Drake, Duffreyl, MaGill, Moya,Vasquez versus Reed, Anderson or Jay.Likewise they have Gonsalves, Jorge, Romero, Slegers, Stuart and Thorpe. A few are obvious still keepers, but how many do they protect ?Would nay team really want to keep them?

 

Arraez and Rortvedt are interesting calls. Arraez is a throwback type 2b On base but one at a time.Some team will think they can teach Rortvedt to hit well enough to be backup if his defense is good. He is barely 21.It would seem unwise to leave him available given catching talent in the league. Does a tanking team take him for future value.

 

I would be completely shocked if Andrew Vasquez is DFAd. He was brought up for a purpose. He's potentially part of the future. So, he's' not going anywhere (well, I guess he could be traded, but he's not a DFA candidate). 

 

As for your starters... Jorge came off the roster in the season. Slegers is a possible DFA candidate. The others are not getting DFAd (again ,could be trade options). 

 

Rortvedt and the other high school picks from 2016 (Kirilloff, Baddoo, Miranda, Balazovic, Benninghoff) won't be eligible for two more years. 

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:47 AM

 

Rule 5( c )( 1 )( C ): if the signing date of a player’s first Major or Minor League contract is between
 (i)  the conclusion of the championship season for the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is assigned on such contract and
 (ii) the next Rule 5 Selection Meeting,
then the player shall be deemed to have signed after the next Rule 5 Selection Meeting, for purposes of this Rule

 

The term “championship season” shall refer to the full schedule of regular-season games that has been approved for a Major or Minor League Club in accordance with the provisions of Rule 32.

 

The above excerpts are taken from THE OFFICIAL PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL RULES BOOK.

 

I don't know which team he was assigned to, but in 2014 the DSL finished its regular season around August 21. So for Rule 5 purposes I take this to mean he counts as a 2015 signing, and thus he has one more year.

 

Thanks Ash for clearing the air on Graterol

 

Alcala is another player whose Rule 5 status has been debated

Birthday: July 28, 1995

Signed: December 3, 2014 Houston Astros signed free agent RHP Jorge Alcala to a minor league contract.

 

I believe the following earns him another year of Rule 5 freedom:

 

(1) A player without previous Major or Minor League service who signs with a
Major League or independent Minor League Club shall be subject to selection based on the following:

 

(A) if 18 years of age or under on the June 5 immediately preceding the
player’s signing, the player shall be subject to selection at the fifth Rule 5
Selection Meeting that follows the signing date of the player’s first Major or
Minor League contract, unless Rule 5©(1)© applies;

 

(B) if 19 years of age or over on the June 5 immediately preceding the
player’s signing, the player shall be subject to selection at the fourth Selection
Meeting that follows the signing date of the player’s first Major or Minor
League contract, unless Rule 5©(1)© applies;

 

also from THE OFFICIAL PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL RULES BOOK.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:48 AM

 

Bref lists Belisle as being on the 40 man. Most would and should assume gone as Belisle was signed to a one year contract without options.

 

Mauer, Belisle, Gimenez and Forsythe became free agents after the World Series. Santana and Morrison have options that the Twins will have to decide on, likely in the next day or two. 


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:51 AM

But the GCL and DSL seasons were over, so he's not eligible... at least that's what I've been told by a few people.


You are correct. Graterol was first assigned to the DSL Twins (albeit not until 2015, but that doesn't matter), and the DSL season was already over by Sep. 1st in 2014.

Hypothetically, had he first been assigned to a full season minor league in 2015, he could have been eligible this winter.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:52 AM

Did we resolve that Roster Resource is wrong and that Graterol and Alcala are not Rule 5 eligible.


Yes. See the discussion above. Berardino also confirmed Alcala's status back when we acquired him:


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 12:18 PM

Don't you think it's a tad premature to be deciding the 40 man roster even before Rocco has a chance to see with his own eyes what he's got? Or not?

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 12:37 PM

 

Don't you think it's a tad premature to be deciding the 40 man roster even before Rocco has a chance to see with his own eyes what he's got? Or not?

 

They don't have to officially make the moves until mid-November (maybe the 20th or so?). 

 

And Baldelli won't see them. These decisions are totally front office/minor league staff decisions... The manager may help them lean toward a style or something to (very minimally) input an opinion.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 01:37 PM

This list isn't exactly going to keep me up the night before the draft.Even "the givens" seem to be no-brainers only because the Twins figure to have so many spots available. Don't need to go very far down the list...especially of position-players...to get to those that have near-zero chance of being drafted and kept.But with the trend for rosters to carry/use more and more pitchers, picking the correct arms to protect is going to be key on a yearly basis.




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