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#1 ashbury

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 06:17 AM

We had a thread for items around the baseball world that were worth sharing but not worth a thread of their own. Now that the 2018 season is over, I'll start this new one for the off-season.

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 03:44 PM



Maybe a sign of things to come with fringy type FAs. Low salary with a ton of incentives cooked into the contract.
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Posted 29 October 2018 - 03:46 PM

I know it's not exactly new in MLB to have incentive-laden contracts but perhaps we'll see an uptick in these type of contracts.

It's the closest we can get to paying for current performance instead of past results.

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 03:58 PM



If we want Keuchel, it'll cost us a draft pick now.

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 04:16 PM

 

I know it's not exactly new in MLB to have incentive-laden contracts but perhaps we'll see an uptick in these type of contracts.

It's the closest we can get to paying for current performance instead of past results.

I hope so. I tend to think a guy SHOULD be paid for how he's performing now. The flip side of that, of course, is that young players should also get paid for how they're performing in the present, rather than having their pay artificially restricted.

 

I know that a lot of veteran players won't like this trend (since they've been expecting to get big contracts after their arbitration years end), but it might be the way those players avoid losing their jobs to young (cheap) players. 

 

If it does become a real trend, it will be interesting to see if it also becomes an issue of some contention in the next CBA.

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#6 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 04:32 PM

I hope so. I tend to think a guy SHOULD be paid for how he's performing now. The flip side of that, of course, is that young players should also get paid for how they're performing in the present, rather than having their pay artificially restricted.

I know that a lot of veteran players won't like this trend (since they've been expecting to get big contracts after their arbitration years end), but it might be the way those players avoid losing their jobs to young (cheap) players.

If it does become a real trend, it will be interesting to see if it also becomes an issue of some contention in the next CBA.


It would have to be, if they want to push it further than games/innings. I could be misinformed, but I believe the current CBA prevents bonuses for performance, outside of games/innings and awards.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 09:18 PM

Realmuto's agent was on MLB Network Radio today. You'll be SHOCKED to learn Realmuto will not sign an extension and asks to be traded.

I think this is for real this time. Someone will get a great catcher for a minimum of 2 seasons.

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 09:49 AM

 



Maybe a sign of things to come with fringy type FAs. Low salary with a ton of incentives cooked into the contract.

 

Or a guy willing to structure things to deal with injury concerns in order to finish his career with the same team he began it with...Adam's expressed that many times over. He's incredibly loyal and essentially was doing this, considering a return to the Braves as the team that drafted him, or retiring.

 

In other words, I wouldn't count on this as an indication of anything to come.

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 09:51 AM

 

It would have to be, if they want to push it further than games/innings. I could be misinformed, but I believe the current CBA prevents bonuses for performance, outside of games/innings and awards.

 

Postseason things are allowed in there as well (bonus if the team makes the postseason, bonus if player plays in postseason, bonus if pitcher makes postseason start), but basically anything that says "hitting .320 will get you $3M more than hitting .300" is not allowed.

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 09:52 AM

 

Realmuto's agent was on MLB Network Radio today. You'll be SHOCKED to learn Realmuto will not sign an extension and asks to be traded.

I think this is for real this time. Someone will get a great catcher for a minimum of 2 seasons.

 

He'll do well for Washington next year, and they're going to be a much better team by not having Bryce in 2019.

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 09:57 AM

He'll do well for Washington next year, and they're going to be a much better team by not having Bryce in 2019.


You think they will trade him within the division? Who do you think Washington will have to part with to make the deal?

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 10:11 AM

 

You think they will trade him within the division? Who do you think Washington will have to part with to make the deal?

 

The guy they were willing to move in the summer but that the Marlins wouldn't accept as a headliner, Carter Kieboom. He's moved up to a top 25-30 prospect in all the game, and the Nats have some very high-upside guys lower in their system with some solid pitching scattered throughout to make a package quite feasible.

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 04:51 PM

https://www.cbssport...player-in-2019/

 

Oakland picks up the FRE's 2019 option.

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 05:42 PM

 

He'll do well for Washington next year, and they're going to be a much better team by not having Bryce in 2019.

 

They might be better, but it won't because they lose a great player.....

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 11:50 AM

 

They might be better, but it won't because they lose a great player.....

 

Not the point I made at all.

 

Choosing to direct the funds that would go to Bryce would be better utilized across the roster. The team panicked on Strasburg and certainly the payroll now regrets it. They paid a premium for him.

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 12:38 PM

 

Not the point I made at all.

 

Choosing to direct the funds that would go to Bryce would be better utilized across the roster. The team panicked on Strasburg and certainly the payroll now regrets it. They paid a premium for him.

 

Not sure how they replace Strasburg.....their big mistake was resting him the first year when they were great. You never know if you'll have that chance again....

 

but, ya, I clearly read that wrong.....

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 03:13 PM

Kershaw off the market, with an extension of three years, at $93MM for the next three years....giving him a sizable raise for the next two years, and a new, third, year on his old deal.

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 07:32 PM

Cleveland telling teams they are selling off veterans like Kluber according to Olney.


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 07:44 PM

Cleveland telling teams they are selling off veterans like Kluber according to Olney.


"will listen to trade offers"



I imagine they would be looking for quite a haul on Kluber and Carrasco -- new cheaper talent to quickly complement Lindor and Ramirez.

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 08:16 PM

In my opinion, that makes no sense. That somehow Kluber or Carrasco might be traded. They still have fairly friendly deals in my estimation, and for the most part aren't in line for any big salary increases (though Klubers goes up 6+ mil in 2019 -- and he's worth every penny).

My guess: saying Kluber or Carrasco are on the trading block is Cleveland's (cheap?) way of fishing for phone calls for the other guys.

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