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Does De Vries Deserve 2013 Rotation Spot?

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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:09 PM

So, with De Vries season over, the natural question is should a spot in the 2013 rotation be set aside for him? Or should he be competing for a spot in spring training if there is one available? Handing one to him might allow Twins to spend more on one of their other spots. But there's a lot of free agent tslent, too. His stats are much better than I thought they'd be:

17G (1/2 a season), 4.11 ERA, 87.2 IP, 6 K/9, 1.8 BB/9, 1.6 HR/9 (easily his biggest problem) & 9 H/9. (Anyone know his FIP?)

What do you think?

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:26 PM

ERA/FIP/xFIP/Sierra
[TABLE="class: rgMasterTable"]
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[TD="class: grid_line_break, align: right"]4.11[/TD]
[TD="class: grid_line_regular, align: right"]4.90[/TD]
[TD="class: grid_line_regular, align: right"]4.73 4.48
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BABIP: .258

They should view him as a competitor for a spot in the rotation, no scholarship. If the opportunity arises to add outside talent to the rotation, they can't let a pitcher like DeVries stand in the way of acquiring them.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:34 PM

It is a good question. Another question would be if teams have really figured him out yet, or are there still questions. He's clearly busted his tail off to get to the show, but I really think that he needs some more time to determine if those numbers are real yet. He's done well, and should be proud of his season, but I'd rather have him have to earn that spot rather than have it handed to him. I don't really think that his salary, or lack of a higher paid vet, will have any effect on his battle for a rotation spot. If anything, he's going to be competing against a few other guys that are going to also be making close to the league minimum rather than a higher priced vet.

You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:41 PM

There is that phrase... "A good problem to have". I hope DeVries, Deduno, Diamond, Hendriks, Gibson and maybe a couple of others get classified as good problems to have for us in 2013.

I hope that along with those potential good problems to have. I'd like a couple of new pitchers that we pick up and are really really counting on.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:49 PM

believe he will start in AAA next year with Gibson ( who'll be the first callup if its past May15) & be 2nd in command there.
MN will give Deduno the 5th spot next spring but I have no doubt he wont be able to keep up his success & that will be where we see Gibson.
Hendrix will get the 4th spot but he is definately on a short leash with the organization (personally think he may be dealt this offseason).

Very solid season for Cole.
Wonder how much his AFL success helped him

#6 Seth Stohs

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:52 PM

I don't think he's done enough to be given a rotation. I do think he's done enough to stay on the 40 man roster and go to big league spring training (For the first time!) with an opportunity to make the starting rotation or be a long reliever. Also, he has only used one option, so he can also go to Rochester and be the #6 or #7 starter at the beginning of the season. EVery team needs those guys too.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:03 PM

I don't think he's done enough to be given a rotation. I do think he's done enough to stay on the 40 man roster and go to big league spring training (For the first time!) with an opportunity to make the starting rotation or be a long reliever. Also, he has only used one option, so he can also go to Rochester and be the #6 or #7 starter at the beginning of the season. EVery team needs those guys too.

At least in AAA next year, he will have a salary of 72K....not as good as MLB's 500K, but better than he's ever made.
He'll be a guy that will defiantely make some starts next year based on what he did this year....just not make the team outta STraining.
Solid success story....woulda liked him to get his last 3/4starts, but oh well

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:06 PM

ERA/FIP/xFIP/Sierra
[TABLE="class: rgMasterTable"]
[TR="class: rgRow"]
[TD="class: grid_line_break, align: right"]4.11[/TD]
[TD="class: grid_line_regular, align: right"]4.90[/TD]
[TD="class: grid_line_regular, align: right"]4.73 4.48[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
BABIP: .258

They should view him as a competitor for a spot in the rotation, no scholarship. If the opportunity arises to add outside talent to the rotation, they can't let a pitcher like DeVries stand in the way of acquiring them.


They had Gardie on the radio, and asked him if De Vries deserved a spot in the starting lineup next year, and that's pretty much what he said.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:26 PM

As far as I'm concerned, Diamond is the only starting pitcher who has earned a roster spot for next season. The other 4 spots are open to competition and they need to bring in some outside help. (I'm still only expecting Ryan to bring in one innings eater type in the $8-10 million range and 1 "flier" like Baker as F.A.

There's nothing I'd like more than for the Twins to have 6 or 7 starting pitchers ready for the rotation at the end of ST. I don't think that's going to happen but I'd love to see it.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:37 PM

We are so ****ing loaded at 5th starter.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:41 PM

Deserve a spot? No. Deserve a chance to earn a spot, or be in AAA ready to be called up? Yes. I hope guys like him are 5-8th starters for this team in the future, not top 3....But I agree, I expect Ryan to sign a middling guy, and a cheap flyer guy. Then I expect Devries to be in the rotation.
Lighten up Francis....

#12 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:06 PM

I think the Twins should hold two spots open for De Vries, Hendriks, Deduno, Gibson, etc.

Diamond automatically gets a spot.

That means the front office should pick up two non-horrible pitchers this offseason. Whether they come via free agency or trades, I do not care.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:44 PM

Yeah. 40-man roster and ST invite.

Let me put it this way: He deserves a spot more than Blackburn does
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:14 PM

It is a good question. Another question would be if teams have really figured him out yet, or are there still questions. He's clearly busted his tail off to get to the show, but I really think that he needs some more time to determine if those numbers are real yet. He's done well, and should be proud of his season, but I'd rather have him have to earn that spot rather than have it handed to him. I don't really think that his salary, or lack of a higher paid vet, will have any effect on his battle for a rotation spot. If anything, he's going to be competing against a few other guys that are going to also be making close to the league minimum rather than a higher priced vet.


Totally agree with this. Also agree with Thrylos's point that he has earned a spot more than Blackburn has this year.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:16 PM

"Yeah. 40-man roster and ST invite."

Let me put it this way: He deserves a spot more than Blackburn does"



With Blackburn's confidence issues, I'd almost guess that Blackburn would agree with you.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:33 PM

I think the Twins should hold two spots open for De Vries, Hendriks, Deduno, Gibson, etc.

Diamond automatically gets a spot.

That means the front office should pick up two non-horrible pitchers this offseason. Whether they come via free agency or trades, I do not care.


If the Twins hope to be at all competitive, this is the 100% correct answer.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:37 PM

We are so ****ing loaded at 5th starter.


You know what they say; trade from organizational strength. Anyone need a good AAAA pitcher?

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:39 PM

De Vries could easily be the 5th starter or long relief. I do not feel he will last, but is a good story at this time. I think Hendriks should be sent back to Rochester until his head clears(but still do not know if he has major league stuff). That leaves Diamond, Deduno, Hopefully a couple of FA's and one other spot between 3 to 4 pitchers. I do not think outside of Swarzak anyone on this staff could fill the long relief spot like De Vries

#19 Shane Wahl

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:55 PM

DeVries and Deduno deserve consideration for the 5th spot, but I would like to see Anthony Swarzak go away as a filler/add-in in some trade involving Morneau, so DeVries would be the natural choice to take over as LR/spot starter.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 05:08 AM

De Vries has been very good. He's earned a crack, but I hope he isn't in the rotation. We need to be more formidable than that.

But, I have confidence that if we lose a starter next year, which will undoubtedly happen, De Vries could step in and do the job...at least to the point where the Twins have a chance when he pitches.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 06:04 AM

He might get one because the team won't have any other options. His performance was OK but I don't really feel good about him being part of the rotation for next year.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 07:29 AM

DeVries has pitched more than one game against several teams. DeVries continues to put up quality starts. Same for Deduno. There is no need to go out and sign a 4/5 starter as they continue to perform. DeVries is well below league average on bb/9 so he definitely pitches the Twin's way.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 08:31 AM

I'll echo what everyone else has said. He's earned a shot, but that is all. We all know the Twins have too many guys that are stuff-challenged and depend on command and pitching to contact.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:09 AM

If the Twins don't go out and sign or trade for starters, De Vries would be the #3 starter in 2013 behind Diamond and Deduno.

Remember, TR said the Twins won't be in the market for big time starters. And if De Vries is the 3rd best starter on the team, the Twins would need to get three better starters than him somehow to bump him out of the rotation. My guess is De Vries is in the rotation out of ST as the #4.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 10:46 AM

[quote name='Boom Boom']If the Twins don't go out and sign or trade for starters, De Vries would be the #3 starter in 2013 behind Diamond and Deduno.

That is just plain scary. All three should slide down 2 spots.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:42 AM

It will be very dissappointing if any more than ONE of De Vries, Deduno, Walters, Vasquez, or Blackburn is in the rotation on April 1.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:03 PM

It will be very dissappointing if any more than ONE of De Vries, Deduno, Walters, Vasquez, or Blackburn is in the rotation on April 1.



It'll be disappointing, but it absolutely will happen.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:25 PM

It will be very dissappointing if any more than ONE of De Vries, Deduno, Walters, Vasquez, or Blackburn is in the rotation on April 1.


I wouldn't shed too many tears if De Vries and Deduno make the rotation out of ST, just as long as Gibson isn't taking one of the other five spots (ie. The Filler D's can't be replaced by Gibson later in the season as one/both of them inevitably fail). Keeping a scrub in the #5 spot with the intent of replacing him with Gibson isn't the worst plan in the world given the Twins' pitching woes. But it has to be a #4/5 spot... If De Vries/Deduno are #3/4 starters, this team is going to be awful for a third consecutive season.