Since Hrbek?
Puckett, Knoblauch.
Puckett did get some time in AAA and Knoblauch spent a full year in AA, but OK.
Still not on the same level as penciling in KIriloff and Lewis as starters in 2019
Posted 14 October 2018 - 12:10 PM
Since Hrbek?
Puckett, Knoblauch.
Puckett did get some time in AAA and Knoblauch spent a full year in AA, but OK.
Still not on the same level as penciling in KIriloff and Lewis as starters in 2019
Posted 14 October 2018 - 12:20 PM
no, but Lewis might be closer than he appears (if he stays healthy, of course). The Lewis comps with Correa and Lindor are pretty good. We should see Rooker in 2019.Puckett did get some time in AAA and Knoblauch spent a full year in AA, but OK.
Still not on the same level as penciling in KIriloff and Lewis as starters in 2019
Posted 14 October 2018 - 02:47 PM
no, but Lewis might be closer than he appears (if he stays healthy, of course). The Lewis comps with Correa and Lindor are pretty good. We should see Rooker in 2019.
Too soon for me.
Posted 15 October 2018 - 08:55 AM
Then why not trade Gibson at this point? I don't know what you mean by moderate, but he's a top 20-30 starting pitcher right now....that has real value.
And, go big for some of us is add 1 legit player this year, to a longer than 1 year deal.....then see what happens next year.
Mike, I might be under estimating the return on Gibson. He only has one year of control and he produced 2.8 WAR. That’s not the kind of difference maker that teams are willing to give up top type prospects to acquire. With everyone clamoring (me included) for difference makers I don’t see the point. It makes more sense to extend him. If they are unable, ok, go ahead and test the trade waters.
I also don’t see this team as being positioned to rebuild. We don’t have the types of veteran players that would allow us to acquire top talent. It just does not make sense to give up on the guys we have just yet. They have too much potential and waiting a year is not going to have any impact on the duration of the rebuild.
What do you or anyone else think Gibson would bring on the trade market? I prefer an extension but I can see your point if they were able to get a great return.
Posted 15 October 2018 - 10:34 AM
Posted 15 October 2018 - 11:47 AM
Mike, I might be under estimating the return on Gibson. He only has one year of control and he produced 2.8 WAR. That’s not the kind of difference maker that teams are willing to give up top type prospects to acquire. With everyone clamoring (me included) for difference makers I don’t see the point. It makes more sense to extend him. If they are unable, ok, go ahead and test the trade waters.
I also don’t see this team as being positioned to rebuild. We don’t have the types of veteran players that would allow us to acquire top talent. It just does not make sense to give up on the guys we have just yet. They have too much potential and waiting a year is not going to have any impact on the duration of the rebuild.
What do you or anyone else think Gibson would bring on the trade market? I prefer an extension but I can see your point if they were able to get a great return.
I also prefer an extension at this point.....but if they can't do that and they don't add a big time bat and SP, I'd deal him. I'd guess he returns a top 50 - 75 talent, give or take. Kind of depends on who signs who this off season.
I'd be aiming for C, 3B, starting pitcher type (who clearly has to be more than a year or two away).
Posted 15 October 2018 - 01:52 PM
That's not incorrect. We're looking at the same issue from separate views. I see your argument as a little too "get younger just for the sake of getting younger" for my taste.Then I either read it 100% wrong, or your post isn't as clear as you think...because it read like don't promote guys faster.....at least to me.
Edited by Jham, 15 October 2018 - 01:53 PM.
Posted 15 October 2018 - 06:11 PM
Puckett did get some time in AAA and Knoblauch spent a full year in AA, but OK.
Still not on the same level as penciling in KIriloff and Lewis as starters in 2019
Basically.Kent Hrbek was a 17th round draft pick in 1978.He got 79 Rookie level plate appearances in 1979.One full year of A in 1980 and one full year of A+ in 1981.He was promoted directly from A+ to the Twins late in 1981 and played the entire season in 1982 as a major league player.At 24 years of age he had 1,881 plate appearances and was the runner up for the 1984 MVP award. Using the "Twins Way" logic, he might have just been given his initial chance in 1984.
Puckett had some time in AAA, but he was drafted in the 1982 January phase of the draft. He played that draft year in Rookie, 1983 in A+, and started 1984 in AAA before starting his iconic career with the Twins (I can still recall listening to that game on the radio in my dorm room).Again, using the Twins approach of today, Puckett would have been no where near the majors by 1984.
Knoblauch pretty much the same story.Drafted in 1989 and played draft year in A and A+.Then first full season in AA for 1990.Then, started with the Twins in 1991.Again, if Knoblauch was a current Twins prospect he would have started at Elizabethton and probably got promoted to A near end of season.Then he would have repeated A with a call up to A+.Then a season of AA, and at least a partial season in AAA.
I guess being rushed through the minors killed these players career.
Posted 15 October 2018 - 06:32 PM
Posted 15 October 2018 - 10:03 PM
Basically.Kent Hrbek was a 17th round draft pick in 1978.He got 79 Rookie level plate appearances in 1979.One full year of A in 1980 and one full year of A+ in 1981.He was promoted directly from A+ to the Twins late in 1981 and played the entire season in 1982 as a major league player.At 24 years of age he had 1,881 plate appearances and was the runner up for the 1984 MVP award. Using the "Twins Way" logic, he might have just been given his initial chance in 1984.
Puckett had some time in AAA, but he was drafted in the 1982 January phase of the draft. He played that draft year in Rookie, 1983 in A+, and started 1984 in AAA before starting his iconic career with the Twins (I can still recall listening to that game on the radio in my dorm room).Again, using the Twins approach of today, Puckett would have been no where near the majors by 1984.
Knoblauch pretty much the same story.Drafted in 1989 and played draft year in A and A+.Then first full season in AA for 1990.Then, started with the Twins in 1991.Again, if Knoblauch was a current Twins prospect he would have started at Elizabethton and probably got promoted to A near end of season.Then he would have repeated A with a call up to A+.Then a season of AA, and at least a partial season in AAA.
I guess being rushed through the minors killed these players career.
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