Not speaking to any individual or post, but just an overview what's been stated and discussed here regarding the re-build, early promotions, going for the rebuild hard, etc.
I don't think it's entirely fair, or accurate, to compare the re-build that lead to the '87 WS team, (which took 4-5 years to accomplish BTW). It was 30 years ago and ,was to a ton of losses and bad baseball early on. And most of those players jumped from AA ball, not A ball, and some at least sniffed AAA. There are similarities with the build of the '91 WS team, but the point doesn't have to belabored.
The current re-build is actually stretching over 2 different FO, which complicates the process somewhat. But that being said, the Twins HAVE been quite aggressive with promotions. Just taking a few minutes to check current ages, MLB service time, milb service time, and especially AAA service time shows that Sano, Rosario, Kepler, Buxton, Polanco and Berrios spent 3 1/2 to 5 1/2 years in the minors. All have between 2 1/2 to 4 years of actual MLB service time. All are between 24 and 27yo.
Berrios, combined over a couple season's, and the youngest of the group, has 1 1/2 season's of AAA ball under his belt. INCLUDING his 2018 time there, Buxton has a little over half a season of AAA time. Rosario has about 1/2 a season there split over 2 years. Polanco also has about 1/2 season, total, split over different years. Kepler has a grand total of 30 games played at the AAA level. And Sano has a TOTAL of 17 games at the AAA level, including 9 games in 2018.
To say the Twins haven't been aggressive is just not accurate. There have been demotion and rehab time. But these guys all pretty much skipped AAA and were at least auditioned at the ML level from AA.
Romero is 23. But he also missed parts of 2 full seasons, like Thorpe and Graterol behind him. And he only had what, 2 or 3 starts at Rochester before they brought him up? (Yes, one could make the argument that he should have stuck longer or been brought up again).
On the milb side of things, ready or not, Gordon got half a season at Rochester. Thorpe finished there. Vasquez reached the majors from A ball. Moya' s first jump was from AA. Rooker spent his first full pro season at AA. Khiriloff and Lewis each got a half season of high A in their first full pro seasons. There is nothing passive taking place here, just not the results...yet...that we all want. But even in the previously mentioned re-build years, there was much struggle before achievement.
That Twins era team was competitive within 2 years but not quite good enough.So, while there was struggle, the core gained experience and it takes time to find the players that are not good enough. This is one of the key issues in rebuilding.
WHy is that a key?Because if you take too much time gettting a player up to the major league level that cannot play, it takes that much time to move on from him.
Like I said, Lenny Faedo was the shortstop of that group.He was the TWins first round pick in 1978.He started his draft season as a 18 year old in Elizabethton.Then moved to AA as a 19 year old and played as a 20 year old there too, but was a late season call up as a 20 year old.In 1981 he was in AAA and 1982 started for teh Twins.By 1983 it was apparent he wasn't going to hit enough so he was phased out.But then, the Twins were starting to phase in another 21 year old SS in Greg Gagne.
If the Twins follow the "Twins Way",Faedo hasn't even reached the majors before Gagne established himself in the Twins lineup.
One interesting note about Gagne to show the differences in organizational thought.When the Twins acquired him as a 20 year old from the Yankees early in 1982 (Gagne had only played 1 game), Gagne was in A+ Florida State League.The Twins immediately promoted him to AA.Of all the Twins trades acquiring minor leaugers in the most recent years I have never seen that happen.
AS far as the claims that the reason these methods are to far in the past, notice that in that argument there isn't any evidence presented.It is a long time ago, therefore it isn't the same.But, I argue that baseball development is still essentially the same in 1987 as it was 30 years later.The baseball draft is still essentially the same particularly with what players can be drafted.The minor league system is virtually the same with the only difference in Twins structure is that they established a low level rookie affiliate in the Gulf Coast League in 1989 (this rookie league was in existence since 1964 but the Twins probably did not have an affiliate to save cost).
Regardless, as I have pointed out over and over again, the critical thing that my argument has in its favor is that the "Twins Way" has failed and put us in the spot we are in.
a.)The players are very slowly promoted through the system in a conservative, step-wise process. Yet, when most of them reach the majors they are not prepared for the competition level.
b.)Even though this team has been struggling and clearly in rebuilding mode the team has not committed to bringing in a manager to work with young players.In fact, they stayed with Ron Gardenhire for four 90+ loss seasons despite the obvious lack of ability to develop young players.
c.)When the unprepared Twins prospects arrive at the MLB level, the Twins put them on a short leash and instead of working with those players, they send them back.We are not talking about "young" prospects either.Fernando Romero isn't a 20 year old player.He is 23.Bring him up, he runs into a little bit of struggle.So, they send him back.Romero is a pitcher some have ranked as the #1 Twins prospect.He has a minor league career ERA of 3.02 and has been successful at every level in the minors.Yet, they have zero patience with him.
An even better example of this phenomena this season is Willians Astudillo.I get he isn't a prospect, but when he was first called up he hit ok and played all over the field, including one of the worst innings of pitching I have ever seen!But, when Bobby Wilson could play again the FO preferred his 35 year old .523 OPS rather than see is Astudillo would be a guy that could contribute to this team going forward.Why not see if he can that weird utility guy.And the joke was on them when they recalled him and WIllians hit .355 with an OPS of .887.Sample size?Sure.BUT WOULDNT IT BE NICE TO KNOW IF THIS WAS JUST A SMALL SAMPLE SIZE FLUKE????They found time for 151 PAs for Bobby Wilson, 205 PAs for Logan Forsythe, 109 for Ryan LaMarre, 67 for Gregorio Petit, 54 for Johnny Field, 34 for Chris Giminez, 21 for Taylor Motter, and 8 for Juan Graterol. Everyone knows that their poor hitting isn't a fluke.But, that is the "Twins Way", play the known medicorities (at best) rather than risk playing a guy that could potentially be a player you can use in the future.
When you look at it this way, it is very difficult to be a fan of this team.