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Article: Offseason Primer: Building a Badass Bullpen

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#21 Hosken Bombo Disco

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:44 AM

They could do trade deadline deals. That's how Houston got Pressly from us.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:47 AM

 

This year's free agent class of relievers might be unprecedented. Also unprecedented: the Twins available payroll. If they can't get two or three excellent-to-elite BP arms then they're not trying hard enough. Buy the relievers, trade for the other areas of need.

 

This team can afford even the priciest reliever, if they try to do similarly with starting pitchers or elite bats they have to settle for 3rd tier guys.

 

This. 100%. The Twins going into the offseason have so much payroll flexibility that there is zero reason not to spend money on the bullpen to improve it. I'd like to see one of the top bullpen pitchers signed and then at least one more quality bullpen pitcher signed. Make the moves necessary to improve this team so the manager doesn't have to rely on one or two pitchers who then get overused by midseason.


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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:48 AM

They could do trade deadline deals. That's how Houston got Pressly from us.


Step 1 would be to get into Houston's position next July then.
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:54 AM

 

Step 1 would be to get into Houston's position next July then.

  1. Get into first place
  2. Trade for Pressly
  3. ????
  4. Profit!
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#25 Hosken Bombo Disco

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:55 AM

Step 1 would be to get into Houston's position next July then.

Only teams in first place can make trades for MLBers? Huh! Learn something every day! :)
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:59 AM

 

Only teams in first place can make trades for MLBers? Huh! Learn something every day! :)

 

Well the Twins could have traded for a Pressly-type bullpen arm in July too but they didn't because the team was so far in the hole that there wasn't much point to it. Making a good team before the season starts will win you more games than making a good team in the middle of the season.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:06 AM

Well the Twins could have traded for a Pressly-type bullpen arm in July too but they didn't because the team was so far in the hole that there wasn't much point to it. Making a good team before the season starts will win you more games than making a good team in the middle of the season.

Agree completely, but I was thinking in terms of finding the Joe Nathan type of guys already on other rosters having years of control but not being utilized to their fullest extent.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:09 AM

Agree completely, but I was thinking in terms of finding the Joe Nathan type of guys already on other rosters having years of control but not being utilized to their fullest extent.


Those are not typically the kind of deals you see at the deadline. Those tend to be off-season deals just like the Joe Nathan one.
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:18 AM

Those are not typically the kind of deals you see at the deadline. Those tend to be off-season deals just like the Joe Nathan one.

Agree again, but they can happen. The Archer deal this summer was sort of a sideways deal between non-contenders. Just another idea, that's all.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:32 AM

While I agree that the bullpen needs to be better and the more good players you have the better your team will be, I disagree with this article's premise that the only way to win a World Series is to imitate other teams' success around the league.

 

The beauty of this sport is it's enormous schedule, which allows for different models to reach that same end goal. Whoever determines the next trend is the one who will likely win the WS.

 

And sometimes you just get lucky. (eg. 1987)

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:38 AM

I would love for the Twins to add an impact arm this offseason. I don't know that it has to be a "closer", a role that tends to overpay and under use pitchers. Frankly, that was one of the best things about signing rodney; the lesser arm could roll out for the 9th and better players could play fireman to get us there. It would be my preference for 2019: utilize May & Rogers to address late inning roles against the meat of a team's lineup based on matchup rather than limit one of them to finishing the game in the 9th.

 

I think Reed will have a bounce back year. He clearly wasn't right (maybe got overused early in the season?), but he's got enough of a track record to suggest there should still be some mileage left there to be a contributor. He was terrific in April and wasn't all that bad in May before things started imploding on him. I'm reluctant to read anything into his solid Sept, as the small sample size and expanded rosters make those games a little questionable to project off of.

 

But maybe the real key to the Twins bullpen next year is a different manager. The biggest knock on Molitor was his bullpen useage; here's hoping the next guy does better.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:39 AM

While I agree that the bullpen needs to be better and the more good players you have the better your team will be, I disagree with this article's premise that the only way to win a World Series is to imitate other teams' success around the league.

The beauty of this sport is it's enormous schedule, which allows for different models to reach that same end goal. Whoever determines the next trend is the one who will likely win the WS.

And sometimes you just get lucky. (eg. 1987)


No doubt, there's more than one way to skin a cat over the course of 162 games. Step one, and the only step that really matters, is bringing in more talented players.
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:56 AM

Been saying this for a long time...the "bullpen guys are easy to find" theory was always wrong, and a dominant pen is the simplest way to gain a significant advantage.

Find and acquire at least two legit dominant arms, and another flyer or three.

I also believe a manager more adept at managing his pen, and more adept at knowing when to remove his starter, will boost the pens performance all by itself.
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:00 AM

 

Agree completely, but I was thinking in terms of finding the Joe Nathan type of guys already on other rosters having years of control but not being utilized to their fullest extent.

 

I hope the team is constantly looking to trade for undervalued guys, but at this point I don't want them pinning the success of 2019's bullpen a diamond in the rough. 

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:01 AM

Why did no one mention Belisle! I’m sure he’ll be available. On a more serious note, Familia and Ottavino led the majors in WAR per mlb.com And I think Hildenberger will be better next year with more judicious use. I also see nothing wrong with trying out a few of the AAA starters as relievers as an intro to the majors with the thought of promoting them to starter in 2020. Don’t one or two of them have 100 mph fastballs?
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:04 AM

 

Been saying this for a long time...the "bullpen guys are easy to find" theory was always wrong, and a dominant pen is the simplest way to gain a significant advantage.

Find and acquire at least two legit dominant arms, and another flyer or three.

I also believe a manager more adept at managing his pen, and more adept at knowing when to remove his starter, will boost the pens performance all by itself.

 

I'd think the third paragraph would be easier should the second paragraph be realized. I'm in no way giving Molior a pass for his bullpen usage, but I'd guess if the manager had more than two relievers at any given time who were reliable it would be easier to play matchups, give quick hooks and not to overwork.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:34 AM

In other news, Harmon Killebrew Award winner Jake Reed continues to get no love from the FO, despite having better numbers than all other guys called up last month.... and better than everyone not named Rogers on the big staff.

 

What's the deal? Is it a control issue, or do they just not like him?

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:50 AM

The Twins had a really nice set of relief pitchers in 2018, but for some reason they chose to use arms that were not as good. They didn't know who they had. I'm not sure what metrics they were looking at but it wasn't anything common and each move made the staff worse overall.

 

Maybe Molitor going will fix the problem. I would give caution to the team to not overreact but I suspect overreacting is the plan. They should add two relievers but they don't need a complete overhaul. They still need a top shelf starter and a couple of nice vets to slap the ball around.

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:56 AM

In other news, Harmon Killebrew Award winner Jake Reed continues to get no love from the FO, despite having better numbers than all other guys called up last month.... and better than everyone not named Rogers on the big staff.

What's the deal? Is it a control issue, or do they just not like him?


I think the FO just doesn’t see anything in him. They didn’t protect him for the rule 5 draft and didn’t give him a call up, so I think he’ll be pitching more somebody else next year. I guess they’re going with the ‘AAA stats don’t transition to mlb’ theory... hasn’t worked for Busenitz.
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 01:32 PM

 

In other news, Harmon Killebrew Award winner Jake Reed continues to get no love from the FO, despite having better numbers than all other guys called up last month.... and better than everyone not named Rogers on the big staff.

 

What's the deal? Is it a control issue, or do they just not like him?

 

It looks to me like the front office values control with the young arms. Over the last two years Rogers and Hildenberger have gotten very long leashes, Busenitz and Moya get repeated looks throughout the season and Slegers and Stewart have gotten rather surprising promotions.

 

Meanwhile Burdi and Chargois are gone and Bard is only back because the Angels handed him back, he also Reed sits on the sideline with Reed. John Curtis has largely been in the same boat, he's gotten a September call up both of the past two years but was only given a token look both times and never got a mid year promotion despite his options.




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