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#1 J-Dog Dungan

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:59 PM

Do you know why the Twins should both hang onto and trade Morneau and find a spot for Chris Parmelee? It's because they are both two of the hottest hitters in baseball, Parmelee since his callup (no surprise there with the way he was raking in AAA) and Morneau since the All-Star Break (very pleasant surprise).

Here are some current rankings and stats for the two players, with all info coming from Major League Baseball, under the sub-categories of 1B from all teams, not just those who are qualified to have enough AB's, and on Post-All Star Break settings. I also don't think that these stats include the game on 9/12/2012.

Morneau: Since the All-Star break, in 53 games, he is 10th in AB's with 198, 8th in Runs Scored, Tied for 3rd in hits with 64, 6th in doubles with 12, Tied for 12th with 8 HR, 6th with 37 RBI's, 5th in BA with a .323 mark (which is actually behind Parmelee), 11th in OBP with a .373 mark, 9th in slugging % with a .515 mark, and 7th in OPS with an .888 mark. This is all a great improvement for Morneau who was near the top in very few categories before the All-Star Break and has had a remarkable improvement overall.

Parmelee has been giving the Twins an uber-strong case to bring him north next year this year, and he is doing as well if not better than Morneau recently (because he was only called up recently). Over just 13 games, he is hitting .354 with 3 doubles, 3 HR, 12 RBI's, and OBP of .373, a slugging % of .604 (second in majors), and a .977 OPS which is ranking him 3rd in the Majors.

So, yeah, the Twins have two strong candidates to have at first, a happy situation with their current lack of big-name, power pitching and the lack of above-average 1st basemen in the offseason FA lists. So the Twins should use this situation to their advantage, by either trading Span and putting Parms in RF and Revere and center and keeping Morneau or trading Morneau, putting Parms at first, and either keep Span or trade him, depending on whether or not the FO feels that one or more of their precious OF prospects is ready to hit the Bigs.

#2 Shane Wahl

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:49 PM

I am for trading Morneau and playing Parmelee at first base. It's not even close. Parmelee in RF does not make the OF good at all and Morneau's $14 million is useful elsewhere. Span or Revere become tradeable with the rise of Hicks. Arcia would add depth.

#3 Rick Blaine

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:56 AM

It definitely makes sense to trade either Morneau or Parmelee and either Span or Revere. But what makes sense is usually not the Twins Way:)

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:12 AM

I was of the opinion that Morneau should be traded if you could get even a B-minus level prospect for him and clear the money for next year, BUT...

It is only one season's worth of salary, and knowing and listening to Terry Ryan, I'm not so sure we can assume that $14 million would go towards free agent players of any substance, and especially rotation guys. If they did trade Morneau for a borderline prospect, and it turns out that they sign one Jason Marquis-type starter for next season and then either sit on the rest of the money or do something like picking up Matt Capps' option or doing a one-year deal with Baker, how would you feel about giving up Morneau then? Because I think any of those are more likely than seeing the Twins commit more than $30 or $40 million to any starting pitcher. Plus, of course, Morneau's contract being traded only clears up a small portion of that salary, and only for one year.

It's likely this team cuts salary even more next year, based on performance and attendance declines.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:39 AM

I was of the opinion that Morneau should be traded if you could get even a B-minus level prospect for him and clear the money for next year, BUT...

It is only one season's worth of salary, and knowing and listening to Terry Ryan, I'm not so sure we can assume that $14 million would go towards free agent players of any substance, and especially rotation guys. If they did trade Morneau for a borderline prospect, and it turns out that they sign one Jason Marquis-type starter for next season and then either sit on the rest of the money or do something like picking up Matt Capps' option or doing a one-year deal with Baker, how would you feel about giving up Morneau then? Because I think any of those are more likely than seeing the Twins commit more than $30 or $40 million to any starting pitcher. Plus, of course, Morneau's contract being traded only clears up a small portion of that salary, and only for one year.

It's likely this team cuts salary even more next year, based on performance and attendance declines.


Yeah, if that is the trajectory of things, I would want nothing to do with trading Morneau. My god, they can't actually RUN A BUSINESS like that, right?

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:40 AM

I was of the opinion that Morneau should be traded if you could get even a B-minus level prospect for him and clear the money for next year, BUT...

It is only one season's worth of salary, and knowing and listening to Terry Ryan, I'm not so sure we can assume that $14 million would go towards free agent players of any substance, and especially rotation guys. If they did trade Morneau for a borderline prospect, and it turns out that they sign one Jason Marquis-type starter for next season and then either sit on the rest of the money or do something like picking up Matt Capps' option or doing a one-year deal with Baker, how would you feel about giving up Morneau then? Because I think any of those are more likely than seeing the Twins commit more than $30 or $40 million to any starting pitcher. Plus, of course, Morneau's contract being traded only clears up a small portion of that salary, and only for one year.


This.

There is little point (and considerable downside) to trading Morneau unless the team plans to spend the money elsewhere or they can get something of value for him.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:14 AM

Parmelee hasn't proven anything.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:55 AM

At some point they need to decide if they will just put a few more band aids on the roster or if the are really going to rebuild, For two years now the band aid approach hasn't worked, maybe it's time to move on from the past and rebuild, at least that could give us some hope.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:12 PM

We can have both... It doesn't have to be one or the other. Parmelee is flexible enough to spell, Morneau and Willingham along with Doumit and Mauer at DH.

We can have them all and they all can play a lot in 2013. We don't have depth issues and the reason we don't have depth issues is because we don't have depth.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:43 PM

I'd deal Morneau, and use the money for legit, big time, starting pitching. Take a flyer on Parmalee being ready.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:27 PM

I'd deal Morneau, and use the money for legit, big time, starting pitching. Take a flyer on Parmalee being ready.


What "legit, big time starting pitching" are you going to sign with a $14M, one year contract?

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:20 PM

Not just the 14, combine that with other money. And who said 1 year?
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:26 PM

Not just the 14, combine that with other money. And who said 1 year?


They have plenty of money to sign "legit, big time starting pitching" if they choose to in 2013, and the money you save on Morneau is only 1 year's worth.

No "legit, big time starting pitching" is going to sign a 1 year deal. Dealing or not dealing Morneau has little to no effect on the Twins ability to sign whatever free agents they want in 2013.

They won't do that--sign big time FA starting pitching--of course, but that has nothing to do with Morneau. Dealing Morneau to "save money" has only one effect...it increases the Pohlad's bottom line.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:34 PM

I'm going to stick with the idea that you don't get in hurry to deal Morneau this offseason until you either a.) absolutely need the budget room, which means you've signed a big time pitcher, or b.) get an offer you simply can't refuse.

But I don't think either of those things are going to happen.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:40 PM

I think with Morneau's resurgence late this season and the extreme lack of even average 1B on the FA market this year, if a team not named the Boston Red Sox comes calling WITH A GOOD DEAL, the Twins should listen and listen hard.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:51 PM

The question was, what would I do, not what do I think the Twins will do....those are very, very, very different things. I would trade him, and sign two legit starting pitchers.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:54 PM

The question was, what would I do, not what do I think the Twins will do....those are very, very, very different things. I would trade him, and sign two legit starting pitchers.


Why would you need to trade Morneau to do that?

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 05:23 AM

Trading Morneau would be a terrible move. He has always been this team's best, most dangerous hitter, and for the most part, still is. He has a lot of baseball left.

Players aren't as disposable as people like to think. Morneau's production would be extremely difficult to replace.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 06:02 AM

Morneau's good play could make him more valuable as a trade chip. I don't think it makes sense to have them on the same team but it would be nice to have the depth if one of them were to get hurt at some point in 2013.

#20 Don't Feed the Greed Guy

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 08:45 AM

Hey all,
I want to see what Justin Morneau can do with a healthy first half of 2013. His stats are notoriously strong over the first half of a season, and tend to taper off after the All-Star break.

Consider his last three "healthy" seasons, and and his five "full" seasons:
1st Half ....................... 2nd Half
2009: .311/.390/.575 .201/.310/.402
2008: .323/.391/.512 .267/.350/.481
2007: .295/.364/.581 .243/.318/.384
2006: .300/.352/.587 .342/.399/.531 (still, a modest decline in slugging pct.)
2005: .267/.331/.477 .211/.277/.397

I think we can agree that over the first half of 2012, Morneau was in recovery mode. Take a look at his progression over this year...

2012: .246/.312/.440 .319/.376/.505

I am ready to see what the Big Canadian can do in the first half of 2013, healthy, rested, and wearing a Twins uniform.