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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:04 AM

You can view the page at http://www.twinsdail...l-League-Roster

#2 IdahoPilgrim

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:34 AM

Do the players get paid for this time, or is it like spring training and they are on their own nickel? For that matter, do players get paid for EST in the spring?

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:22 AM

I'm guessing they at least get per diem

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:23 AM

tyler grimes catcher?

#5 60ft6in

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:37 PM

The players get their meal money and room for Est and Instructs. Spring Training they get the room and hotel food.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:56 PM

Always amazed more fringe players dont do what Tyler Grimes is doin & learn to catch.

#7 Seth Stohs

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:36 AM

Paul Molitor is about to join 1500espn's Reusse and Mackey to talk about the Instructional League (Where he's heading now) and other minor league topics.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:50 AM

heard bits of Molly
thinks
Koch is fringe prospect but has trouble as a catcher
Michaels future is at 2B, not SS

#9 Seth Stohs

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:42 PM

No surprise with either of those comments... Molitor is good.

#10 greengoblinrulz

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:59 PM

No surprise with either of those comments... Molitor is good.


was there anything at beginning

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 05:34 PM

I would love to see the power shots at the Batting Practices during Instructionals in Ft. Myers, with Vargas - Sano - Buxton - Hicks - Walker - and some of the other guys. With Buxton - Sano and Walker at 18 - 19 & 20 yrs old respectively - the power potential in MN looks bright. Now to limit the K's

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 07:24 PM

heard bits of Molly
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Koch is fringe prospect but has trouble as a catcher
Michaels future is at 2B, not SS



So what about next season at Fort Myers? Do they still have Michaels play mostly at short and Rosario at second or do they move Rosario back to the OF part-time?

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:32 PM

any word on first day of Instructs - Did they practice today? When is schedule coming out?

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:14 PM

Seth,

Is German Minier what Amaurys Minier is going to be known as?

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:04 PM

Seth,

Is German Minier what Amaurys Minier is going to be known as?


Apparently... that is what they have on the roster.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:32 PM

Always amazed more fringe players dont do what Tyler Grimes is doin & learn to catch.


I've said it before, but with just the 3 guys ahead of him in OF at this camp (Buxton, Kepler and Pineda) alone, why isn't Derek Rodriguez lookng at a faster way to get to the majors by catching like his Pop?

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:03 PM

Always amazed more fringe players dont do what Tyler Grimes is doin & learn to catch.


I've said it before, but with just the 3 guys ahead of him in OF at this camp (Buxton, Kepler and Pineda) alone, why isn't Derek Rodriguez lookng at a faster way to get to the majors by catching like his Pop?


Have you seen Derek Rodriguez in real life? Let me find a shot of his from ST. I think that would answer your question...

There you go:

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(and this thing is not letting me embed images unless you upload them locally too... gee)

He is about AJ Pettersen size

Edited by Thrylos, 15 September 2012 - 02:17 PM.

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#18 jokin

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:32 PM

[quote name='thrylos98'][quote name='jokin'][quote name='greengoblinrulz']Always amazed more fringe players dont do what Tyler Grimes is doin & learn to catch.[/QUOTE]

I've said it before, but with just the 3 guys ahead of him in OF at this camp (Buxton, Kepler and Pineda) alone, why isn't Derek Rodriguez lookng at a faster way to get to the majors by catching like his Pop?[/QUOTE]

Have you seen Derek Rodriguez in real life? Let me find a shot of his from ST. I think that would answer your question...

There you go:

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(and this thing is not letting me embed images unless you upload them locally too... gee)

He is about AJ Pettersen size[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a perfect match for Pudge at the same age.

From Baseball Reference:



Adam Pettersen



Adam Jesse Pettersen

Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 9", Weight: 170 lb.




Iván Rodríguez



Ivan (Torres) Rodriguez (Pudge or I-Rod)
Position: Catcher
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 5' 9", Weight: 205 lb.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:34 PM

Regardless, wouldn't you agree that Dereck Rodriguez, with the plethora of young OF prospects, is heavily blocked at advancing quickly through the Twins system?

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:52 PM

Regardless, wouldn't you agree that Dereck Rodriguez, with the plethora of young OF prospects, is heavily blocked at advancing quickly through the Twins system?


well... they are 4-5 OF and 2 Cs in most rosters, so I really see no issues. Also, at this point there are probably 8-10 OFs ahead of him in the minors (let's say the beginning of 2013 and I am not counting the MiLB FAs that Rantz will sign). There are probably 8-10 Cs ahead of him as well. So the numbers make me think that he has higher likelihood in advancing as an OF plus you have to add another year to learn another position as a C.

That is academic. Pettersen is 170 lbs with a diving weight belt on :) Dereck Rodriguez is also close to 150. Stick arms stick legs. Nothing like Pudge and Pudge was closer to 225 than 205...
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 03:04 PM

Thanks for the roster Seth.

The two most interesting tid bits I get from the roster are, 1) German Minier being there as a 16+ year old who hasn't played in the D.R. Tells me they are very high on this young man and want to get started; and 2) Seeing Kennys Vargas will be there. After missing most of this year with his suspension and odd rules that turned 50 games into about 125, he needs all the work he can get. Secondly, being invited tells us the Twins remain high on him and aren't ticked off because of his mistake.

Seth, I had heard several times recently that Kyle Gibson would be working in Fall Instructs before going to Arizona in early October. Is he there and just not included on the roster?

Speaking about A. J. above, do you think he wasn't invited because of his wedding this fall?

Thanks Seth, have a wonderful weekend!

Edited by roger, 15 September 2012 - 03:07 PM.


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 03:57 PM

Regardless, wouldn't you agree that Dereck Rodriguez, with the plethora of young OF prospects, is heavily blocked at advancing quickly through the Twins system?


well... they are 4-5 OF and 2 Cs in most rosters, so I really see no issues. Also, at this point there are probably 8-10 OFs ahead of him in the minors (let's say the beginning of 2013 and I am not counting the MiLB FAs that Rantz will sign). There are probably 8-10 Cs ahead of him as well. So the numbers make me think that he has higher likelihood in advancing as an OF plus you have to add another year to learn another position as a C.

That is academic. Pettersen is 170 lbs with a diving weight belt on :) Dereck Rodriguez is also close to 150. Stick arms stick legs. Nothing like Pudge and Pudge was closer to 225 than 205...



Not to be too argumentative here. You are trying to compare Rodriguez at age 40 to Pettersen at age 24. I would wager that Pudge at 24 weighed closer to Pettersen at age 24 than to Pudge at age 40.

Derrick is currently listed at 160 and his genetic background suggests he'll likely end up with at least a somewhat similar profile to his father's. Furthermore, here is an article from the NY Times in 2005:

http://www.nytimes.c...ll/25pudge.html

A pull quote from it:

"(Last night, he said he weighed 187 pounds, compared with 215 last season.)"

Besides the references and allegations to prior steroid use, Pudge did drop the weight starting in 2005, for his mid-to-late 30s to prolong his career, and returned to his more natural body-type.

I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that Derreck Rodriguez could get to the majors faster with the Twins by considering the catcher option (appears to be a winning strategy for Hermann). Passing the relatively non-descript list of 8-10 catchers in the Twins system is not much of a hurdle for a superior athlete, even one who is still super-skinny. And he does have a HOF catcher for a Dad with whom he can consult on his development. Time to hit the weights Derreck, to get on a faster track to the majors- or look to be traded to another team needing an OF sooner than the Twins will be doing so.

Edited by jokin, 15 September 2012 - 04:09 PM.


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 04:44 PM

[quote name='jokin'][quote name='thrylos98'][quote name='jokin']Regardless, wouldn't you agree that Dereck Rodriguez, with the plethora of young OF prospects, is heavily blocked at advancing quickly through the Twins system?[/QUOTE]

well... they are 4-5 OF and 2 Cs in most rosters, so I really see no issues. Also, at this point there are probably 8-10 OFs ahead of him in the minors (let's say the beginning of 2013 and I am not counting the MiLB FAs that Rantz will sign). There are probably 8-10 Cs ahead of him as well. So the numbers make me think that he has higher likelihood in advancing as an OF plus you have to add another year to learn another position as a C.

That is academic. Pettersen is 170 lbs with a diving weight belt on :) Dereck Rodriguez is also close to 150. Stick arms stick legs. Nothing like Pudge and Pudge was closer to 225 than 205...[/QUOTE]


Not to be too argumentative here. You are trying to compare Rodriguez at age 40 to Pettersen at age 24. I would wager that Pudge at 24 weighed closer to Pettersen at age 24 than to Pudge at age 40.

Derrick is currently listed at 160 and his genetic background suggests he'll likely end up with at least a somewhat similar profile to his father's. Furthermore, here is an article from the NY Times in 2005:

http://www.nytimes.c...ll/25pudge.html

A pull quote from it:

"(Last night, he said he weighed 187 pounds, compared with 215 last season.)"

Besides the references and allegations to prior steroid use, Pudge did drop the weight starting in 2005, for his mid-to-late 30s to prolong his career, and returned to his more natural body-type.

I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that Derreck Rodriguez could get to the majors faster with the Twins by considering the catcher option (appears to be a winning strategy for Hermann). Passing the relatively non-descript list of 8-10 catchers in the Twins system is not much of a hurdle for a superior athlete, even one who is still super-skinny. And he does have a HOF catcher for a Dad with whom he can consult on his development. Time to hit the weights Derreck, to get on a faster track to the majors- or look to be traded to another team needing an OF sooner than the Twins will be doing so.[/QUOTE]

He has a better chance of pitching then catching....

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 04:48 PM

[quote name='60ft6in'][quote name='jokin'][quote name='thrylos98'][quote name='jokin']Regardless, wouldn't you agree that Dereck Rodriguez, with the plethora of young OF prospects, is heavily blocked at advancing quickly through the Twins system?[/QUOTE]

well... they are 4-5 OF and 2 Cs in most rosters, so I really see no issues. Also, at this point there are probably 8-10 OFs ahead of him in the minors (let's say the beginning of 2013 and I am not counting the MiLB FAs that Rantz will sign). There are probably 8-10 Cs ahead of him as well. So the numbers make me think that he has higher likelihood in advancing as an OF plus you have to add another year to learn another position as a C.

That is academic. Pettersen is 170 lbs with a diving weight belt on :) Dereck Rodriguez is also close to 150. Stick arms stick legs. Nothing like Pudge and Pudge was closer to 225 than 205...[/QUOTE]


Not to be too argumentative here. You are trying to compare Rodriguez at age 40 to Pettersen at age 24. I would wager that Pudge at 24 weighed closer to Pettersen at age 24 than to Pudge at age 40.

Derrick is currently listed at 160 and his genetic background suggests he'll likely end up with at least a somewhat similar profile to his father's. Furthermore, here is an article from the NY Times in 2005:

http://www.nytimes.c...ll/25pudge.html

A pull quote from it:

"(Last night, he said he weighed 187 pounds, compared with 215 last season.)"

Besides the references and allegations to prior steroid use, Pudge did drop the weight starting in 2005, for his mid-to-late 30s to prolong his career, and returned to his more natural body-type.

I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that Derreck Rodriguez could get to the majors faster with the Twins by considering the catcher option (appears to be a winning strategy for Hermann). Passing the relatively non-descript list of 8-10 catchers in the Twins system is not much of a hurdle for a superior athlete, even one who is still super-skinny. And he does have a HOF catcher for a Dad with whom he can consult on his development. Time to hit the weights Derreck, to get on a faster track to the majors- or look to be traded to another team needing an OF sooner than the Twins will be doing so.[/QUOTE]

He has a better chance of pitching then catching....[/QUOTE]

Given who will likely begin to be manning the Twins OF starting around 2014-5, he has a better chance of pitching than playing OF (at least for the Twins).

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:23 PM

I see we played the Rays and Orioles at Instructs thus far. Any word on how our young Twinkies are doing down there? Is Molitor giving our boys some useful pointers? I know it is a very informal format, but is there any word on positives or negatives thus far?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:05 PM

I see we played the Rays and Orioles at Instructs thus far. Any word on how our young Twinkies are doing down there? Is Molitor giving our boys some useful pointers? I know it is a very informal format, but is there any word on positives or negatives thus far?


Where did you see this?

#27 Seth Stohs

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:39 PM

there is a schedule, but stats and box scores are not public information.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:57 PM

I just saw the schedule for the other teams and dates with opponents. I have not seen the Twins Instructional schedule yet. That's why I'm asking if anyone heard any buzz from Ft. Myers?

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:26 AM

Koch is a good baseball player. Stick with Koch. I think he needs to learn HoW to play the game a little better. The problem I have with the minor leaguers is that they don't know the game. That tells you the Twins have a weak coaching staff at the lower levels. Imagine that. Don't you think if you were to invest you money into your future profits, you would have the very best building your foundation? These guys just don't get it. It is because there are too many baseball players in the baseball business that won't listen to guys that know how to run a business.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:34 AM

You are right. Derrick will not progress in the twins system. Rance is an idiot and too damn old to manage
Progression and talent. One example is that he left Cole Johnson in Ft Myers after spring training. Replace Old Man Rance!