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#21 beckmt

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 02:53 AM

I do think it is likely Gimenez will be a coach somewhere next year.I also feel the clubhouse was not great this year (don't know if it was toxic, but probably was close). 

Twins may have to do a better job of monitoring the players offseason.It may not be possible but Twins cannot afford Sano to show up way overweight and out of shape and Buxton not to have spent a lot of time working on his batting and his approach to hitting (maybe a month or two of winter ball will help), if not maybe it could be a reality check for him.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:05 AM

 

if we need a catching coach gosh i dont know where we could find one....Oh hey Joe...whats up?

Hey Joe?

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:43 AM

Leadership matters. FO, managerial, and club house. The Washington Nationals are an organization that doesn’t appear to have any. There have been many articles written. Here is a summary.

https://www.google.c...rs-leaks-trades
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:16 AM

I do think it is likely Gimenez will be a coach somewhere next year. I also feel the clubhouse was not great this year (don't know if it was toxic, but probably was close).
Twins may have to do a better job of monitoring the players offseason. It may not be possible but Twins cannot afford Sano to show up way overweight and out of shape and Buxton not to have spent a lot of time working on his batting and his approach to hitting (maybe a month or two of winter ball will help), if not maybe it could be a reality check for him.

Sano should have a full off season and no reason why he can't show up ITBSOHL (in the best shape of his life). One look at him in the spring may be telling. I would think Buxton would be super motivated, whether or not the twins need to be vilified in his motivational equation I guess we'll find out.
The clubhouse seemed to have good chemistry early on while they were still in it. They seemed to be a fun bunch. The poor performances or absences of at least a half dozen key team members ground down all the good vibes

#25 Mike Sixel

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:18 AM

Great interview. Of course leadership matters. It is just that talent matters more.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:48 AM

If only the Twins had a veteran player. A player with catcher experience who doesn't play every day. Maybe someone who has been with the team for over a decade. Maybe such a player could be expected to provide some leadership.

 

Alas, I guess the Twins will have to get their leadership from outside sources, for the final couple months of a lost season.

 

 

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 07:19 AM

I like the essay, but it raises many questions for me.Leadership is a real thing, but we hire a manager and 9 coaches to lead, we have Kelly, Morneau, Hunter, Hawkins, Cuddyer, and Kaat to provide insight and leadership. http://m.twins.mlb.c...roster/coaches/ 

And the FO also has Oliva, Morris, Blyleven, Hrbek, and Carew listed as special assistants.  https://www.mlb.com/...am/front-office

 

We have had Mauer, Dozier, Wilson in addition to our to leadership specialists to provide veteran insights. 

 

I keep thinking of the "Swinging A's.The only non-Yankee team to win three WS in a row and five division championships."The Swingin’ A’s did it despite a clubhouse chemistry that could require a hazmat suit. Hours before Game 1 of the ’74 World Series, for example, players kept insisting to reporters that tales of their infighting were greatly exaggerated. Then Fingers and Odom started brawling right there in the clubhouse.

Fingers required six stitches in his head. Odom wound up with a sprained ankle."  https://www.mercuryn...he-early-1970s/

 

Leadership is great, but Belisle and Gimenez have been with us with our strange success last year and our back to the pack record this year - the team is 152 - 156 with their leadership and Gimenez has given us 0.6 WAR for the time with the Twins and Belisle -0.8 WAR.Gimenez 218/345/391 and Belisle 3 - 3 5.67 in 81 innings in 83 game with an ERA+ of 78.Imagine their leadership potential if they were any good.

 

Right now I give Jake Cave the badge for leadership because of his hustle, his work ethic and results or even Astudillo for his positive energy, hustle, and smile. 

 

Of course I can see the Twins adding another two coaches - we will call them Leadership coaches!

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 08:36 AM

athletes have to deal with adversity too... that's essentially what Gimenez said in this piece. Judging by the fact that every FO makes signings based on this, I think we should give the Twins a bit of slack for acquiring Giminez…


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 09:41 AM

"Leadership Quotient"....say hello to the next analytic stat :)

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 09:54 AM

Sorry, but it is idiotic to have Chris Gimenez on the active roster and even more idiotic to play him.  

 

Using a roster spot on a player like Willians Astudillo and giving him reps isn't idiotic.

 

One player could be a potential valuable piece to the future of the team and the other not.I am not arguing that Astudlillo has the ability to be more than a replacement level player. He might, or he might not.BUT I KNOW THAT GIMENEZ IS BELOW THAT LEVEL.  

 

WHy the team continuously gives valuable playing time to mediocre players that are more than 30 years of age escapes all logic.  

 

WHen it all comes down to it,this is the real problem: We are a 67-79 team that isn't a "young team".I know that we pretend that this is a young, developing squad.But it really isn't.If you look at the players with at least 100 plate appearances, only 5 of the 15 players are 26 or younger (Rosario, Sano, Polanco, Cave, Kepler).The youngest of that group, Polanco, is 24, while "young" hardly prospect level young anymore.  

 

On the pitching staff, if you look at starters that pitched at least 100 innings or relievers who appeared in 25 games, only 2 pitchers are under the age of 25:Berrio (24) and Moya(23).

 

This is not a "young developing team with a lot of hope for its future".This is a collection of mediocre players and we have a management group that doesn't seem interested in doing anything more than gathering a collection of mediocre players for the team over the near term. What this means is continued mediocrity and when the next group of prospects (the Lewis, Kirillof, Rooker, etc) groups will have to go through their adjustment phase, extending the losing.

 

I have been very vocal stating that the proper way to go is take the adjustment phase NOW, not later.Lose lots of games but get the Gordons, Lewis', Kiriloffs and Rookers, Romeros, up starting Day 1 next season.Lose 100 games.Who cares.At least that gives some hope for the future.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 09:55 AM

My skeptical spidey-sense is tingling.

 

If an org knows it sucks at communication, but they have good communication with a catcher on someone else's team, would they bring in that catcher to bridge the gap?


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 10:12 AM

Moderator's note: Reminder, this is not a thread to conduct a full review of the state of the Twins organization, and it's never OK to call anything "idiotic". If Chris Gimenez's views on leadership don't interest you, perhaps move to a thread you find of more value.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 12:46 PM

So, generally disregarded here, what if Falvey and Levine like Gimenez so much, ostensibly for his "leadership", what's to make you think that maybe they intend to keep him around, if not as a coach, how 'bout as manager?

I don't know who's "led" the Twins since Torri Hunter. There were times when it seemed like Dozier, and among all of them Escobar seemed to me as the steadiest, most positive guy on the roster. Belisle? Can't personally say I ever saw anything about leadership coming out of him, but then we weren't sitting next to him in the bullpen every day, were we? For all we know, Falvey and Levine like Belisle just as much as Gimenez and maybe for the same reasons. 

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:35 PM

 

Very strange. We need Gimenez like we need a hole in the head. I generally like Molly but this veteran security blanket thing is silly.

 

I love it! Linus talking about a security blanket. Spectacular!

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:39 PM

Gimenez - "Derek has a great eye for pitching so that should be one area to look forward to as they move forward. Thad is great with people and relationships as well as advanced metrics."

 

Derek picked new pitchers that bombed, and the report is also that these guys do not have people skills, but are "cold". 

 

Proof is in results. Belisle and Gimenez ........ I mean really.... just how inspired can a young player be with these guys as their (self?) appointed leaders?

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:01 PM

So, generally disregarded here, what if Falvey and Levine like Gimenez so much, ostensibly for his "leadership", what's to make you think that maybe they intend to keep him around, if not as a coach, how 'bout as manager?


If they were leaning that way, I’d much prefer to see Mike Redmond as manager.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:31 PM

I know that the moderator wants to limit the discussion, but in fact, this thread reallydoes represent the frustration of the fans and is a healthy outlet for that frustration. 

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:46 PM

 

I think the whole leadership thing is overblown. I would rather have Astudillo getting innings behind the plate yet Gimenez is playing frequently.

How do you know it's overblown if we really can't measure it's influence?

 

I think it is important sometimes, depending on who the leader is.I think Jeter was a very important element to the Yankee teams because he led through example.The guy had such a high standard, worked so hard and give it all on the field.Other players saw that and understood they better do likewise.

 

It matters as much as poor leadership, which can sidetrack a team


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:56 PM

How do you know it's overblown if we really can't measure it's influence?

I think it is important sometimes, depending on who the leader is. I think Jeter was a very important element to the Yankee teams because he led through example. The guy had such a high standard, worked so hard and give it all on the field. Other players saw that and understood they better do likewise.

It matters as much as poor leadership, which can sidetrack a team


I’m surprised that you have that much personal information about Jeter. I want good players and will worry about leadership later. Your mileage may vary.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:05 PM

from robbing Garver of ABs, to hero leader. wow

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