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Article: Twins Minor League Report (8/12): Relief Efforts Cover for Lack of Offense

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#21 Steve Lein

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 02:49 PM

 

To be fair, the AFL isn't totally just a prospects league. In fact, sometimes it is, but sometimes it's a way to get guys who missed time with injury or whatever more AB/IP. 

 

Lewis is in his first full season as a pro and they were already not playing him a couple of times a week early in the season to take care of him.

Kirilloff is coming off of a missed year and has played a ton of games this year. 

 

Rooker, first full season as well. Has played nearly every single game. Maybe 140 games is enough. 

 

Does that mean I think those guys shouldn't go? Of course not, just that its 'completely understandable if they shut them down, or just send them to instructs.

 

Personally, I think at least a couple of them will go, but we'll see. I wish I was privy to those discussions. 

 

These are valid points and ones I absolutely consider. Tyler Jay and Chris Paul were there last year largely because of missing time during the season.

 

But I've followed the league long enough to know it is usually a combination of players making up time they may have lost, top prospects, and fringe 40-man guys who likely could contribute the next season that make up an AFL roster. Even more realistic is the guys are some combination therein.

 

My opinion of those sent last year was this was not the case as a group. 5 of the guys they did send I wouldn't have even considered and then they didn't even use the data they did get on some of them in a discernible way (Andrew Vasquez needed to go back to the FSL after that? really?). 

 

I may have been spoiled by who they had sent there in the immediate years prior, but I don't ever recall a group with so little fanfare or relevance to the following season. That's really my point. I've followed and written about the league long before I started doing it here and the AFL can be utilized much better than they did in my opinion.

 

Could have been an outlier for the reasons discussed, and I hope so, but we'll have to wait another month to see.

 

 

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Scouting Report: Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 45, Speed: 45. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but will sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 02:58 PM

There are rules about whom you can send. With Lewis and Kiriloff both at Ft Myers, I don't think they both (and some others mentioned) can go to AFL. I thought there also was a rule that a player couldn't go to AFL twice, but I don't see it here.

 

Eligibility Rules

  • The roster size is 30 players per team.
  • Each Major League organization is required to provide six players subject to the following requirements:
  •   All Triple-A and Double-A players are eligible, provided the players are on at least a Double-A level roster no later than Aug. 1.
  •  One player below the Double-A level is allowed per Major League team.
  •  One foreign player is allowed, as long as the player does not reside in a country that participates in winter ball, as part of the Caribbean Confederation or the Australian winter league.
  •  No players with more than one year of credited Major League service as of August 31 are eligible, except a team may select one player picked in the most recently concluded Major League Rule 5 Draft.
  •  To be eligible, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.

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#23 Steve Lein

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 03:12 PM

 

Who all do you expect to go to AFL?

 

Names I'd be looking at include the following:

 

-Royce Lewis (performing there makes it more likely he starts 2019 in AA, or is promoted to AAA quicker than usual)

-Alex Kirilloff (same ^, and can make up some development time)

-Brent Rooker (his opening day or early season 2019 viability could be influenced)

-Lewis Thorpe (get more innings under his belt and push his name up the food chain as I think he deserves)

-Jorge Alcala (more innings, pushing for AAA)

-Luis Arreaz (make up some development time, pushing for AAA)

-Ben Rortvedt (good environment for catcher development, and many are needed)

-Kohl Stewart (let him rip out of the bullpen to see what he may have there)

-Nick Gordon (might be good for him to try and get some confidence for 2019)

-Cody Stashak (solid numbers in bullpen this year, a lot like Reed/Curtiss/Vasquez's of the past)

-Ryne Harper (same ^)

-Tyler Wells

-Griffin Jax

-Jovani Moran (push this guy, and he might top my list of those I think should go there)

 

 

 

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Scouting Report: Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 45, Speed: 45. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but will sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)

#24 Steve Lein

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 03:16 PM

 

 

There are rules about whom you can send. With Lewis and Kiriloff both at Ft Myers, I don't think they both (and some others mentioned) can go to AFL. I thought there also was a rule that a player couldn't go to AFL twice, but I don't see it here.

 

Eligibility Rules

  • The roster size is 30 players per team.
  • Each Major League organization is required to provide six players subject to the following requirements:
  •   All Triple-A and Double-A players are eligible, provided the players are on at least a Double-A level roster no later than Aug. 1.
  •  One player below the Double-A level is allowed per Major League team.
  •  One foreign player is allowed, as long as the player does not reside in a country that participates in winter ball, as part of the Caribbean Confederation or the Australian winter league.
  •  No players with more than one year of credited Major League service as of August 31 are eligible, except a team may select one player picked in the most recently concluded Major League Rule 5 Draft.
  •  To be eligible, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.

 

 

There are numerous exceptions that can be used. The Twins sent four out of Fort Myers last year as an example (Paul, Vasquez, Hackimer, Miller), and is another reason the list was very peculiar to me.

 

And there is no rule about going twice. Mitch Garver and Taylor Rogers both were there for two consecutive seasons.

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Scouting Report: Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 45, Speed: 45. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but will sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 03:46 PM

There are numerous exceptions that can be used.

But but but... the site I linked stated plainly, "The eligibility rules to play in the AFL are simple." :)

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 04:02 PM

 

 

There are rules about whom you can send. With Lewis and Kiriloff both at Ft Myers, I don't think they both (and some others mentioned) can go to AFL. I thought there also was a rule that a player couldn't go to AFL twice, but I don't see it here.

 

Eligibility Rules

  • The roster size is 30 players per team.
  • Each Major League organization is required to provide six players subject to the following requirements:
  •   All Triple-A and Double-A players are eligible, provided the players are on at least a Double-A level roster no later than Aug. 1.
  •  One player below the Double-A level is allowed per Major League team.
  •  One foreign player is allowed, as long as the player does not reside in a country that participates in winter ball, as part of the Caribbean Confederation or the Australian winter league.
  •  No players with more than one year of credited Major League service as of August 31 are eligible, except a team may select one player picked in the most recently concluded Major League Rule 5 Draft.
  •  To be eligible, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.

 

 

I believe that rule (bold) changed in recent years though and more players from those A ball levels are able to go. Just trying to remmeber who went last yeare, ,and I think that Chris Paul and Tom Hackimer both finished the year at Ft. Myers, so already that's two. Vasquez too. 

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 04:02 PM

 

Names I'd be looking at include the following:

 

-Royce Lewis (performing there makes it more likely he starts 2019 in AA, or is promoted to AAA quicker than usual)

-Alex Kirilloff (same ^, and can make up some development time)

-Brent Rooker (his opening day or early season 2019 viability could be influenced)

-Lewis Thorpe (get more innings under his belt and push his name up the food chain as I think he deserves)

-Jorge Alcala (more innings, pushing for AAA)

-Luis Arreaz (make up some development time, pushing for AAA)

-Ben Rortvedt (good environment for catcher development, and many are needed)

-Kohl Stewart (let him rip out of the bullpen to see what he may have there)

-Nick Gordon (might be good for him to try and get some confidence for 2019)

-Cody Stashak (solid numbers in bullpen this year, a lot like Reed/Curtiss/Vasquez's of the past)

-Ryne Harper (same ^)

-Tyler Wells

-Griffin Jax

-Jovani Moran (push this guy, and he might top my list of those I think should go there)

 

 

Arraez, Stashak and Wells are definitely guys I would put on my possible AFL list.

 

Here's a sneaky pick...Sean Poppen.

 

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 04:30 PM

I believe that rule (bold) changed in recent years though and more players from those A ball levels are able to go.

This uncertainty has prompted me to dash off a quick email to MLB's address provided on that page. I'm certain this burning issue of an out of date web page will capture their attention immediately, and I'll be sure to report back with their abject apology or whatever response I get. :)

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 05:26 PM

 

Arraez, Stashak and Wells are definitely guys I would put on my possible AFL list.

 

Here's a sneaky pick...Sean Poppen.

 

I was going to suggest Tyler Wells. 

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 06:13 PM

What a terrible day for prospects!

 


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 06:58 PM

I wonder if Nick Gordon gets the Kohl Stewart Treatment next season. Along around August 2019: "Kid... you're ready. No, we said you're ready. Time to show us what you've learned by now. We got decisions to make."

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 07:30 PM

Names I'd be looking at include the following:

-Royce Lewis (performing there makes it more likely he starts 2019 in AA, or is promoted to AAA quicker than usual)
-Alex Kirilloff (same ^, and can make up some development time)
-Brent Rooker (his opening day or early season 2019 viability could be influenced)
-Lewis Thorpe (get more innings under his belt and push his name up the food chain as I think he deserves)
-Jorge Alcala (more innings, pushing for AAA)
-Luis Arreaz (make up some development time, pushing for AAA)
-Ben Rortvedt (good environment for catcher development, and many are needed)
-Kohl Stewart (let him rip out of the bullpen to see what he may have there)
-Nick Gordon (might be good for him to try and get some confidence for 2019)
-Cody Stashak (solid numbers in bullpen this year, a lot like Reed/Curtiss/Vasquez's of the past)
-Ryne Harper (same ^)
-Tyler Wells
-Griffin Jax
-Jovani Moran (push this guy, and he might top my list of those I think should go there)


Wouldn't Alcala and Arraez be winter league guys?

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 08:20 PM

Names I'd be looking at include the following:

-Royce Lewis (performing there makes it more likely he starts 2019 in AA, or is promoted to AAA quicker than usual)
-Alex Kirilloff (same ^, and can make up some development time)
-Brent Rooker (his opening day or early season 2019 viability could be influenced)
-Lewis Thorpe (get more innings under his belt and push his name up the food chain as I think he deserves)
-Jorge Alcala (more innings, pushing for AAA)
-Luis Arreaz (make up some development time, pushing for AAA)
-Ben Rortvedt (good environment for catcher development, and many are needed)
-Kohl Stewart (let him rip out of the bullpen to see what he may have there)
-Nick Gordon (might be good for him to try and get some confidence for 2019)
-Cody Stashak (solid numbers in bullpen this year, a lot like Reed/Curtiss/Vasquez's of the past)
-Ryne Harper (same ^)
-Tyler Wells
-Griffin Jax
-Jovani Moran (push this guy, and he might top my list of those I think should go there)

I’d love to see Tyler Wells, Brent Rooker, Nick Gordon, and Cody Stashak in the AFL for sure. As for Lewis Thorpe I don’t know how he could pitch in the AFL when he has signed to play in the Australian Baseball League in our off season. Either way it looks like Thorpe will get some fall/winter ball innings in it just looks like it will be in his native Australia.
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Posted 13 August 2018 - 08:30 PM

 

Wouldn't Alcala and Arraez be winter league guys?

 

Yes, they would just need waivers from their Winter League teams. 

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 08:45 PM

 

Names I'd be looking at include the following:

 

-Royce Lewis (performing there makes it more likely he starts 2019 in AA, or is promoted to AAA quicker than usual)

-Alex Kirilloff (same ^, and can make up some development time)

-Brent Rooker (his opening day or early season 2019 viability could be influenced)

-Lewis Thorpe (get more innings under his belt and push his name up the food chain as I think he deserves)

-Jorge Alcala (more innings, pushing for AAA)

-Luis Arreaz (make up some development time, pushing for AAA)

-Ben Rortvedt (good environment for catcher development, and many are needed)

-Kohl Stewart (let him rip out of the bullpen to see what he may have there)

-Nick Gordon (might be good for him to try and get some confidence for 2019)

-Cody Stashak (solid numbers in bullpen this year, a lot like Reed/Curtiss/Vasquez's of the past)

-Ryne Harper (same ^)

-Tyler Wells

-Griffin Jax

-Jovani Moran (push this guy, and he might top my list of those I think should go there)

Given Tyler Wells has some of the best starter numbers in the organization, if not the best, I would hope they send him. I love what Moran is doing also

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