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Article: Twins Minor League Report (8/10): Miracle Comeback

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#21 Seth Stohs

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 01:04 PM

 

Well, that is sort of dictating the terms of the decision. If you are willing to move on from Morrison, that would open up a couple more starts a week, without taking away from Cave. And with the other DH games and Mauer's days off at 1B, that could support ample opportunity for Austin too.

 

If they did call up Wade, then they would need to play him and they would ahve to play him or it doesn't make sense. 

 

My thought is that a guy that's 24+ and still a prospect should play at least 4 games a week to justify not playing 6 games a week in AAA. 


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 01:06 PM

 

There are also two different types of players to evaluate. Those you think have it, and those you suspect don't. The only way to find out is give both of them a chance. Who knows. Maybe Stewart becomes a BP piece? Frankly I don't see him making it as a starter, but they have enough invested in him to find out.

 

I've heard this as well. Many think that he could be a really good reliever as well. 

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 01:08 PM

 

https://en.wikipedia..._Baseball_draft

https://en.wikipedia..._Baseball_draft

https://en.wikipedia..._Baseball_draft

 

 

 

You inspired me to take a look back at what could have been.  I think it is fair to say the Twins blew it big time with Jay.  And yet Nola was a college pitcher, and he looks like the best pick from the year before.  And 2013...the Mark Appel draft.  just take a look. Yuckos.

 

First, how the teams that "scored" instead of the Twins fared in those three drafts.

Boston: Trey Ball/Michael Chavis/Benintendi

Phillies:  Crawford/Nola/Cornelius Randolph

Kansas City: Hunter Dozier (Manaea-Supp.)/Finnegan/Ashe Russell

2013

Picking shortly after the Twins in 2013 at #7, the Red Sox passed on a variety of useful players to pick Trey Ball.  Like the Twins--and EVERY other team in MLB--they also passed on Manaea and Judge, who were taken in the comp round.  Even the Yankees passed on Judge, to take Eric Jagielo, a shortstop out of Notre Dame.  With their pick directly after Judge, they passed on Manaea to take Ian Clarkin.

 

The Phillies took J.P. Crawford at #16--pretty good pick, I guess, although at this point if he has Trevor Plouffe's career he'd probably be happy.  

 

Dozier, at #8, signed for well under slot, and to date is at -1.3 WAR as an MLBer.

 

Overall, the 2013 draft looks awful for everybody except the Cubs with Bryant.  I'm not giving the Yankees too much credit for their 1 out of 3 find in Judge.  Click on the link and see for yourself what that draft looks like.

 

2014

The Phillies got Nola at #7, right after the Twins took Gordon and the Mariners took Alex Jackson.  Aiken and Kolek were taken before him as well.  Man, just think how good the Astros would be if they hadn't botched the Appel and Aiken picks--Bryant and...well, maybe they got lucky after all on the Aiken botch, turning around and landing Bregman and Kyle Tucker.

 

The Royals got Finnegan at #17.  The only other notable players in the next 20 picks are Justus Sheffield, Kopech, and Derek Fisher at 31,33, and 37.

 

Boston took Chavis at 26, passing on Sheffield, and of course, Kopech the first time.

 

Oops-Just noticed Matt Chapman went 25th, three picks after the vaunted Dodgers player development team passed on him for pitcher Grant Holmes.  Maybe the Red Sox were sitting on him and just missed.  I'm sure they were.

 

2015

This draft looks pretty good, and to add insult to injury--picks 5-10: Kyle Tucker-Jay-Benintendi-Carson Fulmer--Ian Happ--(and I'll just throw in Cornelius Randolph.). At the top was Swanson, Bregman, and Brendan Rogers, with Dillon Tate, who has been traded for Carlos Beltran and Zach Britton so far.

 

Boston got Beni. The Phillies took the aforementioned Randolph at #10, passing on later 1st rounders Kolby Allard and Walker Buehler.  The Royals took Ashe Russell at 21, also passing on Buehler by two picks.  Mike Soroka was taken at #28.

 

Summary:  

The draft is such a crapshoot. Just take some time scrolling through those lists of players. When you look at that Kohl Stewart draft, I think we should be happy to have a guy make the big leagues at all, even if it is brief.  Benintendi I'll concede, but it is pretty revisionist to suggest the Twins should have passed on Stewart to take Judge  or Manaea. 25+ slots before they went.  

 

I got a bit off topic here I think.  This post should probably go in the Stewart thread, but maybe it is a useful reminder here as well. Here is a list where you can check out the 15 players that went ahead of Kirilloff:  https://en.wikipedia..._Baseball_draft

 

I don't believe Judge was ever seriously considered as a top pick... by anyone.

 

Manaea was, but he also got hurt and fell pretty hard due to it if I remember right. KC pulled off a big underslot move to get him.


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 01:14 PM

 

Seth, why do you think Gonsalves has not been called up when others with inferior minor league career stats have? I realize he just pitched Thursday so he couldn't pitch Sunday, but he could/should have been called up for at least a spot start in the previous 3 years.

 

Twins justify Stewart start saying "we have to see what he can do" and I agree with that, but what about the much better prospect?

 

I mean, until the last 4-5 starts, his control/command was not good. That's the big reason why.And timing has been a reason at times too. I'll be shocked if he's not called up for September.

 

And, I just think that if scouting reports matter at all - and they absolutely should - Stewart's stuff has a chance to be good. Great ground ball tendencies, etc. 

 

And they made a decision on Gonsalves last offseason. They have to make a decision on Stewart this offseason and this gives them an up-close look. Can he show enough to keep on the roster? Can he be a starting option? Is he a bullpen guy. 

 

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 04:53 PM

Seth since we are on the topic of promotions with Kohl Stewart’s call up to Minnesota I have to wonder why Lewis Thorpe hasn’t been promoted at least to Rochester? For him to have his 3.58 ERA, have more innings pitched than hits given up, have batting average against of .251 (when at one time it was around .360), and a WHIP of 1.25 it took a Herculean effort to do so and yet it looks like he’ll end the year in Chattanooga. Why? My thought is if he does well he should be rewarded, right? A lot gets made of Kohl’s SO/BB splits and while that’s nice Thorpe’s in the same amount of innings is 131/30...significantly better than Kohl’s and for this being his 1st year in AA and for his lack of minors experience (thanks to Tommy John and Mono) is exceptional. So should he at least start next year in Rochester, I mean one thing to look at is control AND command. Thorpe has had great control all year and based off of his improvements his command seems pretty exceptional too, good enough to be moved up IMO.

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 07:28 PM

 

Well, that is sort of dictating the terms of the decision. If you are willing to move on from Morrison, that would open up a couple more starts a week, without taking away from Cave. And with the other DH games and Mauer's days off at 1B, that could support ample opportunity for Austin too.

 

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 08:34 PM

 

Seth since we are on the topic of promotions with Kohl Stewart’s call up to Minnesota I have to wonder why Lewis Thorpe hasn’t been promoted at least to Rochester? For him to have his 3.58 ERA, have more innings pitched than hits given up, have batting average against of .251 (when at one time it was around .360), and a WHIP of 1.25 it took a Herculean effort to do so and yet it looks like he’ll end the year in Chattanooga. Why? My thought is if he does well he should be rewarded, right? A lot gets made of Kohl’s SO/BB splits and while that’s nice Thorpe’s in the same amount of innings is 131/30...significantly better than Kohl’s and for this being his 1st year in AA and for his lack of minors experience (thanks to Tommy John and Mono) is exceptional. So should he at least start next year in Rochester, I mean one thing to look at is control AND command. Thorpe has had great control all year and based off of his improvements his command seems pretty exceptional too, good enough to be moved up IMO.

 

He might be fine in AAA. Probably. I personally don't think it matters a whole lot either way. He's probably not being called up, unless it's in September in which case it doesn't matter if he's made 2 starts in AAA or not. He's pitching fine. He's got stuff to work on.he's on the 40 man and he'll start 2019 in AAA either way, so I don't personally see any urgency to get him to AAA. 

 

Stewart's obviously in a different spot. They had to make a decision on him because with how well he's been pitching in Rochester of late, he wouldn't sneak through the Rule 5 again. 

 

So, very different situations.




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