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#1 Jham

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:40 PM

http://www.espn.com/...15-years-talent

Dear goodness, why are Minnesota sports always on the wrong side of these?

For all the posters who say you can't trade controllable position player talent... this an alternative future for the Buxton and Sano era...

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:52 PM

Between the Johan Santana and Delmon Young trades Bill Smith really had a bad start to his tenure as GM. 

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:53 PM

I think the AJ Pierzinkski trade tree is pretty good headlined by

Joe Nathan
Francisco Liriano
Eduardo Escobar

...and three guys in A ball.

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#4 Mike Sixel

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:02 PM

Heh....that was a good article.

 

In fairness to the Twins, Young was the number 1 pick, number 1 prospect, etc.......

 

On the other side, ugh.....ya, ugh.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 04:05 PM

I think the AJ Pierzinkski trade tree is pretty good headlined by

Joe Nathan
Francisco Liriano
Eduardo Escobar

...and three guys in A ball.


It would be interesting to add up all the WAR from that trade. I'm guessing it's pretty good. AJ didn't flame out like Delmon and did produce a ring for Chicago.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 04:09 PM

Between the Johan Santana and Delmon Young trades Bill Smith really had a bad start to his tenure as GM.


The Johan trade tree is almost too painful to chart out. it flamed out with Jim Hoey, I believe... But the original trade produced Gogo if only we'd a) been more patient or B) been better at developing players, depending on which half of total system failure you want to assign more blame to.
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 05:52 PM

We'll always have Paris.

 

We'll always have Pierzynski.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 06:37 PM

Getting 41 WAR from a dozen players is NOT the same as getting 41 WAR from one player.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 06:55 PM

Knoblauch trade tree kept giving for a while.Has that finally been expunged?

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 07:26 PM

 

Knoblauch tree trade kept giving for a while.Has that finally been expunged?

 

http://www.startribu...rade/361161271/

 

 

From another article...

 

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 07:50 PM

Of course it leads back to Delmon Young and Duensing (whom should have been included in every trade made when he was on the team).

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 07:55 PM

 

Of course it leads back to Delmon Young and Duensing (whom should have been included in every trade made when he was on the team).

 

I didn't even think about that. The one guy that was always "the sweetener" ends up being the last chance to keep it going.

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 08:15 PM

Of course all the Yankees got out of the Knoblauch trade was two championships.

I figure they’re pleased.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:38 AM

Of course all the Yankees got out of the Knoblauch trade was two championships.

I figure they’re pleased.


Three, actually (1998, 1999, and 2000). Although of course Knoblauch contributed more to the first two. Interestingly, he was still starting (in LF) when they lost the WS in 2001 too.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:26 AM

Anyone we could deal to generate a return like that? Buxton or Sano? Berrios? Rosario?

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 06:04 AM

 

Anyone we could deal to generate a return like that? Buxton or Sano? Berrios? Rosario?

 

I'm not sure but I'd guess Berrios would be our top value trade chip at the moment.

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 07:02 AM

I'm not sure but I'd guess Berrios would be our top value trade chip at the moment.


He'd have to bring back significantly more than Chris Archer, right? Especially with the escalating luxury tax penalties? A bidding war between big spenders could escalate pretty rapidly I'd think.

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 07:12 AM

 

He'd have to bring back significantly more than Chris Archer, right? Especially with the escalating luxury tax penalties? A bidding war between big spenders could escalate pretty rapidly I'd think.

 

I'd value Berrios over Archer so yeah but I'm not sure about "significantly".

 

In my opinion... There seems to be "lessening" of the willingness to pay the prices these days and therefore will limit how much you can get, which will limit you short of "significant". 

 

In my opinion... As long as the Phillies, Braves, Astros, Cubs can turn things around as quickly they have... teams are going to hang on to those prospects. 

 

 

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 07:38 AM

Well, someone has to populate MLB teams with quality CFs, might as well be the Twins.... Gomez, Hicks, Revere (notably less quality), and might as well throw Buxton on the trash heap as well, so I can watch him win championships for someone.