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#21 Dave T

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:38 PM

Piching is over rated, we don't need anymoe pitchers.


Butera and Slama take care of the 2013 rotation needs, IMO.


What? ;)

The Twins need pitching, but they also need fans in the stands. Morneau produces, and most fans notice this. I consider Morneau untradeable until Sano shows up.

#22 Mike Sixel

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:52 PM

Fans show up for winners. They will not show up for crappy teams just because morneau is there.

#23 Oxtung

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 02:43 PM

Fans show up for winners. They will not show up for crappy teams just because morneau is there.


I agree that winning has the largest effect on attendance however, star players certainly do help drive attendance up whether a team is at the bottom or the top of the rollercoaster ride that is sports.

#24 Thegrin

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 03:07 PM

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This is Morneau since the All Star game.
x3 = 153 games played . 24 HR, 105 RBI, 36 2b, .318 Avg,
How much is that worth ? Trade him ? You can't get enough to make a trade worthwhile.

#25 diehardtwinsfan

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 05:27 PM

TRADE HIM. Do it while he's hot so we can maximize his value. Get pitching and never look back.


I doubt he gets much this offseason. I'd expect his value to be at its peak come July... He's cheaper, and I woudln't be shocked in the least if he had an OPS north of .900 to go with it.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 06:42 PM

Morneau is one of the most popular players on the Twins team. It is remarkable that he has come back from all the injuries to produce again and be an exciting player. Good for him. I thought he was done... I will be okay with a trade ONLY if we can get a quality pitcher for him. If he has to go, I hope he gets traded to a winning team AND wins another MVP award. That's how much I like him.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:25 PM

Morneau is one of the most popular players on the Twins team. It is remarkable that he has come back from all the injuries to produce again and be an exciting player. Good for him. I thought he was done... I will be okay with a trade ONLY if we can get a quality pitcher for him. If he has to go, I hope he gets traded to a winning team AND wins another MVP award. That's how much I like him.


I'm with ya. I remember when Justin was in the minors. Meintkewicz was the guy in front of him and I was just waiting for Morneau. Morneau became bigger and bigger in my eyes just because he was still in the minors when his power was needed at the Dome. Waiting for his arrival made me a huge Morneau Fan because you can't support something like that and not be a fan.

Been a fan since day one.

Now I'm at the point where I want that pitching as bad as I wanted Morneau to be called up.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 09:06 PM

If I am the Twins, I try and extend Morneau to a more manageable salary for about three more years. He is showing the hint of coming back to being a productive middle of the order bat, he can still play good defense, and his value is at an all time low. Morneau will not fetch the starting pitching we need so trading him is not an option in my opinion. He is more valuable to the Twins as a buy low, power bat especially if we can sign him to the final extension of his career. Worse case, we have a moderate investment into a solid C/DH/1B platoon between Morneau, Mauer, Parmalee, and Doumit with Parmalee getting into the outfield rotation as needed. This frees up to possibility of trading Span, Revere or Willingham for much needed pitching help, all whom I think would bring a greater return.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:35 AM

I'm just counting down the days till he's gone...14 million can be spent better places then a dizzy 1B.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 03:02 PM

I'm just counting down the days till he's gone...14 million can be spent better places then a dizzy 1B.


Who has an OPS+ of 122; identical to his 2007 season. Of course, that includes his stretch of futility prior to the All-Star break.

You're bad at this.

#31 OldManWinter

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 05:37 PM

I hope DPJ can count really high because I have enjoyed Morneau's contributions and hope he continues.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 06:08 PM

I hope DPJ can count really high because I have enjoyed Morneau's contributions and hope he continues.


I have my doubts that he can count very high, sorry.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:34 PM

I'm just counting down the days till he's gone...14 million can be spent better places then a dizzy 1B.


Who has an OPS+ of 122; identical to his 2007 season. Of course, that includes his stretch of futility prior to the All-Star break.

You're bad at this.


DPJ pretty much hates everyone on the team that is halfway decent but gets paid well. For years he railed against Cuddyer and Baker and now it's Morneau. Sure they make a little too much but not everyone is going to be elite or making the MLB min.

He also hates perkins and Plouffe. His track record is spotty at best.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:53 AM

I would have let the Dodgers have him for nothing if they really wanted him. Let Parmelee play 1B and use the funds to get some arms.

I was hoping someone was gonna hit him good in the head and make him dizzy again after that walkoff.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:09 AM

Let Parmelee play 1B and use the funds to get some arms.


The funds should be there to get some arms regardless. Signing them is another matter. It's hard enough to get one decent free agent starter, you can't assume that dumping Morneau means you get more.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:10 AM

I was hoping someone was gonna hit him good in the head and make him dizzy again after that walkoff.


That crosses the line. You can dislike him. You can dislike how much he is paid. You can hope that he is traded. You can have doubts that he will stay healthy. But to hope that a player -- whether for your team or another -- is injured is pretty sick.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:13 AM

Let Parmelee play 1B and use the funds to get some arms.


The funds should be there to get some arms regardless. Signing them is another matter. It's hard enough to get one decent free agent starter, you can't assume that dumping Morneau means you get more.


True, but it gives the Twins the funds and ability to overpay (which they might have to) to get those arms. NTM Parmelee isn't an OF, he should be at 1B.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:16 AM

Let Parmelee play 1B and use the funds to get some arms.


The funds should be there to get some arms regardless. Signing them is another matter. It's hard enough to get one decent free agent starter, you can't assume that dumping Morneau means you get more.


Having the will to sign them is another. We'll see how much "Will" Terry Ryan has this off-season.

For now, I'm not getting my hopes up. He has said that he doesn't think free agency is the way to acquire starting pitching -- if he spends more than $12-$15 million, I'll be surprised. Look for a Pavano-type (not Pavano but an innings eater) and someone like Baker (cheap plus incentives).

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:16 AM

True, but it gives the Twins the funds and ability to overpay (which they might have to) to get those arms. NTM Parmelee isn't an OF, he should be at 1B.


If it comes down to something like that, I would hope they bring the pitcher (or pitchers) in first, then look to deal Morneau away later if they insist on trimming payroll. You don't want to deal Morneau early, then find you don't have any decent players to spend his money on.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:20 AM

Having the will to sign them is another.


That certainly plays a part as well.