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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:49 PM

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:56 PM

I am one of the fans who wants to see Morneau stick around for awhile with the Twins.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 09:13 PM

Justin had a great game today. He looks to be back to form, which is great. I would love to see him stick around, but I understand if they were to trade him for some decent pitching in the off season. There is going to be a crowded outfield next season if Parmelee keeps up his production as well. Tough choices are ahead for the Twins FO.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 09:15 PM

Justin is still a good player but he's not longer a great player. With his health issues, there is no way MN should give him an extension. So what is the upside to keeping him next yr since you wont contend?? Only reason NOT to deal him is because you cannot get a legit deal for him.
Unfortuanately, Ryan doesnt see it that way & will keep him/let him finish the season & walk away with MN possibly getting a draft pick or Justin acceptin a 1yr arb deal.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 09:41 PM

yeah, we need to trade him for pitching, it will also free up cap space to sign a legitimate starter as well. Mauer is finishing the year strong too

#6 OldManWinter

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 09:42 PM

I hope "the Big Canadian" stays too. Find some other way to add pitchers. Morneau is good for the community and good for the team. Guys like that should be entitled to finish their career with the original team/city if they choose.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:44 PM

They keep showing that the bats are enough to at least win the central division.

But Ryan keeps bad mouthing the line up because he wants to continue to lower expectations so he doesn't have to justify not spending any money this offseason.

But in my opinion they are two quality starting pitchers away from contention.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:57 PM

How has Ryan bad mouthed the lineup?

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:15 PM

They keep showing that the bats are enough to at least win the central division.

But Ryan keeps bad mouthing the line up because he wants to continue to lower expectations so he doesn't have to justify not spending any money this offseason.

But in my opinion they are two quality starting pitchers away from contention.


I agree they are at least 2 quality starters away. That being said, the clubs that need first base help are the clubs without big budgets, Parmalee and Span will have more value to bring pitching from those clubs. With some of the big spending clubs needing pitching, I expect the price on reasonable starting pitching to be out of site, therefore a trade is the only option.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:13 AM

Piching is over rated, we don't need anymoe pitchers.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 02:05 AM

Morneau is capable of having a 30 HR, 100 RBI season in 2013. Keep him.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:32 AM

TRADE HIM. Do it while he's hot so we can maximize his value. Get pitching and never look back.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:38 AM

TRADE HIM. Do it while he's hot so we can maximize his value. Get pitching and never look back.


His value is still incredibly low. There is little point in trading him right now. No team is going to give up much of anything for a recovering first baseman who is owed $14m in 2013.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:59 AM

Morneau will have a good year in 2013 no matter where he is. It looks like his injury issues are behind him and, when healthy, Morneau is as good as any 1B in the league. The Twins are lucky to have him.

I think the Twins have a lineup to build around (it'd also be nice to add a SS) and I hope they decide to make a run at some legitimate starting pitching via free agency and try to contend in 2013. With Pavano, Baker, Liriano, Capps, Zumaya, and Marquis not on the payroll, that should free up around $25 million. And, in my dreams, I think back to the payroll of 2011 where the Twins would have $41 million to spend afer 2012.

Also, looking at costs down the road, it doesn't look like anyone other than middle relievers are reaching arbitration anytime soon and after 2013, Blackburn, Nishi, and Carroll's $12 million come off the books.

It seems the only way to get good starting pitching is to either develop it (hard for the Twins lately) or pay for it. I think it would be a better investment for the Twins to spend the cash rather than the prospects.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 09:07 AM

Keep Morneau around for now, Span is going to get you a better package at this point anyways.
If the Twins compete in 2013, then roll with Morneau, if they fall out of it you can easily trade him at the deadline and probably get a much better package then currently.

A lineup of
Revere
Mauer
Willingham
Morneau
Doumit
Parmele
Plouffe
who cares
who cares

Would be pretty damn nice.

#16 Curt

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 10:34 AM

OK, I am officially no longer in favor of platooning Morneau with Valencia.

#17 kab21

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 10:37 AM

Willingham will probably get you a better package than Morneau and Span combined. If I was trading someone that's who it would be. I do not trust his health at all.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:08 AM

Or the Twins organization could act like "Big Boys" and keep an improving Morneau as well as spend some money on pitching and instantly be in the Central Division conversation next year. I'm not talking about other team "ace" type pitchers, I mean sign two quality starters and go from there, $10-$12M a piece guys.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:17 AM

TRADE HIM. Do it while he's hot so we can maximize his value. Get pitching and never look back.


His value is still incredibly low. There is little point in trading him right now. No team is going to give up much of anything for a recovering first baseman who is owed $14m in 2013.


And that's the real dilemma. I keep reading people saying "Keep Him" and "Extend HIm" but if other GMs were as confident as some of the posters that his health issues are behind him, his trade value wouldn't be so low (even taking into account the $14 million for 2013.)

I don't think that they have much choice but to keep him. And say daily (or more frequent) prayers that he doesn't get hurt again. After the last 3 years, I'm happy to think that he is giving the team value again (yes I know there were periods in there where he gave good value but this has been a long haul -- starting in August 2009). I'm just continuing to hold my breath hoping that he stays healthy.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 12:49 PM

Piching is over rated, we don't need anymoe pitchers.


Butera and Slama take care of the 2013 rotation needs, IMO.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:38 PM

Piching is over rated, we don't need anymoe pitchers.


Butera and Slama take care of the 2013 rotation needs, IMO.


What? ;)

The Twins need pitching, but they also need fans in the stands. Morneau produces, and most fans notice this. I consider Morneau untradeable until Sano shows up.

#22 mike wants wins

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:52 PM

Fans show up for winners. They will not show up for crappy teams just because morneau is there.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 02:43 PM

Fans show up for winners. They will not show up for crappy teams just because morneau is there.


I agree that winning has the largest effect on attendance however, star players certainly do help drive attendance up whether a team is at the bottom or the top of the rollercoaster ride that is sports.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 03:07 PM

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x3 = 153 games played . 24 HR, 105 RBI, 36 2b, .318 Avg,
How much is that worth ? Trade him ? You can't get enough to make a trade worthwhile.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 05:27 PM

TRADE HIM. Do it while he's hot so we can maximize his value. Get pitching and never look back.


I doubt he gets much this offseason. I'd expect his value to be at its peak come July... He's cheaper, and I woudln't be shocked in the least if he had an OPS north of .900 to go with it.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 06:42 PM

Morneau is one of the most popular players on the Twins team. It is remarkable that he has come back from all the injuries to produce again and be an exciting player. Good for him. I thought he was done... I will be okay with a trade ONLY if we can get a quality pitcher for him. If he has to go, I hope he gets traded to a winning team AND wins another MVP award. That's how much I like him.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:25 PM

Morneau is one of the most popular players on the Twins team. It is remarkable that he has come back from all the injuries to produce again and be an exciting player. Good for him. I thought he was done... I will be okay with a trade ONLY if we can get a quality pitcher for him. If he has to go, I hope he gets traded to a winning team AND wins another MVP award. That's how much I like him.


I'm with ya. I remember when Justin was in the minors. Meintkewicz was the guy in front of him and I was just waiting for Morneau. Morneau became bigger and bigger in my eyes just because he was still in the minors when his power was needed at the Dome. Waiting for his arrival made me a huge Morneau Fan because you can't support something like that and not be a fan.

Been a fan since day one.

Now I'm at the point where I want that pitching as bad as I wanted Morneau to be called up.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 09:06 PM

If I am the Twins, I try and extend Morneau to a more manageable salary for about three more years. He is showing the hint of coming back to being a productive middle of the order bat, he can still play good defense, and his value is at an all time low. Morneau will not fetch the starting pitching we need so trading him is not an option in my opinion. He is more valuable to the Twins as a buy low, power bat especially if we can sign him to the final extension of his career. Worse case, we have a moderate investment into a solid C/DH/1B platoon between Morneau, Mauer, Parmalee, and Doumit with Parmalee getting into the outfield rotation as needed. This frees up to possibility of trading Span, Revere or Willingham for much needed pitching help, all whom I think would bring a greater return.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 10:35 AM

I'm just counting down the days till he's gone...14 million can be spent better places then a dizzy 1B.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 03:02 PM

I'm just counting down the days till he's gone...14 million can be spent better places then a dizzy 1B.


Who has an OPS+ of 122; identical to his 2007 season. Of course, that includes his stretch of futility prior to the All-Star break.

You're bad at this.