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#41 AlwaysinModeration

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:08 PM

Oh god, I hope not.

If the team wants to start 2019 with a 1B platoon and Austin is part of that package, okay... I don't love it and it's not optimal, but I can take it if...

The real prize here is Rooker, who has an .859 OPS in Chattanooga right now. Either get a real first baseman or aim to have Rooker in Minnesota no later than June of 2019.

And I’ll also note Austin posted 900+ OPS the past two years at AA/AAA (and a former top 100 prospect).

Edited by AlwaysinModeration, 07 August 2018 - 05:08 PM.

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:15 PM

Remember when Kendrys Morales had that "lost season" with the Twins a few years back? Played 39 games, had just 1 HR and batted .234. Looked like he was completely out of gas. Then he goes to KC and drives in 106 the next year, hits 30 HR the year after that. Goes to Toronto and hits 28 HR last year.

 

This Logan Morrison situation seems very familiar. I'm guessing he'll be able to get back in the groove, but it won't be in MN. Very odd how some players come to MN and have career-worst seasons, then get their mojo back when they leave.

 

I'm guessing this happens to every team, and we could find examples elsewhere. But for some reason it just seems like the Twins bring out the worst in veteran hitters.

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:18 PM

 

Remember when Kendrys Morales had that "lost season" with the Twins a few years back? Played 39 games, had just 1 HR and batted .234. Looked like he was completely out of gas. Then he goes to KC and drives in 106 the next year, hits 30 HR the year after that. Goes to Toronto and hits 28 HR last year.

 

This Logan Morrison situation seems very familiar. I'm guessing he'll be able to get back in the groove, but it won't be in MN. Very odd how some players come to MN and have career-worst seasons, then get their mojo back when they leave.

 

I'm guessing this happens to every team, and we could find examples elsewhere. But for some reason it just seems like the Twins bring out the worst in veteran hitters.

 

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:18 PM

 

Remember when Kendrys Morales had that "lost season" with the Twins a few years back? Played 39 games, had just 1 HR and batted .234. Looked like he was completely out of gas. Then he goes to KC and drives in 106 the next year, hits 30 HR the year after that. Goes to Toronto and hits 28 HR last year.

 

This Logan Morrison situation seems very familiar. I'm guessing he'll be able to get back in the groove, but it won't be in MN. Very odd how some players come to MN and have career-worst seasons, then get their mojo back when they leave.

 

I'm guessing this happens to every team, and we could find examples elsewhere. But for some reason it just seems like the Twins bring out the worst in veteran hitters.

except Dan Gladden, Chile Davis, Don Baylor, Dave Winfield, Jim Thome....... 


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Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:18 PM

 

except Dan Gladden, Chile Davis, Don Baylor, Dave Winfield, Jim Thome....... 

 

Only one of those since TF opened.......I mean, some of those are in the way back machine.

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:20 PM

 

Only one of those since TF opened.......I mean, some of those are in the way back machine.

But that is ok because I am older than dirt

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:22 PM

 

But that is ok because I am older than dirt

 

many of us are.....

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 06:24 PM

Remember when Kendrys Morales had that "lost season" with the Twins a few years back? Played 39 games, had just 1 HR and batted .234. Looked like he was completely out of gas. Then he goes to KC and drives in 106 the next year, hits 30 HR the year after that. Goes to Toronto and hits 28 HR last year.

This Logan Morrison situation seems very familiar. I'm guessing he'll be able to get back in the groove, but it won't be in MN. Very odd how some players come to MN and have career-worst seasons, then get their mojo back when they leave.

I'm guessing this happens to every team, and we could find examples elsewhere. But for some reason it just seems like the Twins bring out the worst in veteran hitters.


I don’t know...Morrison was good exactly one year. He was pretty good in the minors, but only had one stellar year in the majors, and that was last year. There’s a reason he didn’t get signed last off-season. I think he’s just reverting to his mean.
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Posted 07 August 2018 - 06:33 PM

 

I think I saw last night that Morrison had lost 22 hits to the shift.If you tacked on 22 hits to his 59, he'd have a BA of .264.

 

So, bottom line is that he has had some bad luck, but, more importantly, he's going to have to learn to adapt.Whether you like the shift or not, it's here until MLB tells us it is not.

 

On April 9th after a total of 9 Twins games... I posted this about Logan Morrison. 

 

"I am not liking his inability to adjust to the extreme shifting. I see no indication that he can adjust and I hope I'm wrong. If he can't adjust... he is going to hit. .210 this year because there will be a player standing everywhere he tends to hit the ball".

 

Logan Morrison has not adjusted to the shift and Paul Molitor did not adjust to Logan Morrison not adjusting and together they hit the iceberg because they must have figured that the iceberg would move if they just kept going.  

 

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 06:39 PM

Maybe. I don’t know that Rooker is that much better than Austin. I think it’s worth giving Austin a bunch of ABs this year and next year, see if he can post 800 OPS or more. He’s entering his prime.


Yeah, I think Austin is actually a pretty good comp for what Rooker will probably become.
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Posted 07 August 2018 - 06:44 PM

Yeah, I think Austin is actually a pretty good comp for what Rooker will probably become.


Considering they have literally the same OPS over their minor league career!

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 06:58 PM

 

Actually, I wonder if clearing waivers might be bad. If some team had put in a waiver claim, you revoke the waiver and then you know with whom to start trade discussions.

I thought players had to clear waivers before they could be traded after the deadline. I also thought that once waivers were revoked there was a waiting period before they could be waived again (30 days?). 

 


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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:31 PM

Perhaps Morrison is trying to channel his inner Tim Laudner. Of course, he was a catcher...

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:39 PM

I thought players had to clear waivers before they could be traded after the deadline. I also thought that once waivers were revoked there was a waiting period before they could be waived again (30 days?). 

Yeah, maybe I talked myself into a Catch-22 that doesn't actually exist. :)

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:41 PM

I thought players had to clear waivers before they could be traded after the deadline. I also thought that once waivers were revoked there was a waiting period before they could be waived again (30 days?).


They can be traded to the claiming team, but only in a 48 hour window after the claim.

If they go unclaimed, they can be traded anytime.

You are right about the 30 day waiting period to request waivers a second time. And the second trip through waivers is irrevocable.

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 07:51 AM

Remember when Kendrys Morales had that "lost season" with the Twins a few years back? Played 39 games, had just 1 HR and batted .234. Looked like he was completely out of gas. Then he goes to KC and drives in 106 the next year, hits 30 HR the year after that. Goes to Toronto and hits 28 HR last year.
 
This Logan Morrison situation seems very familiar. I'm guessing he'll be able to get back in the groove, but it won't be in MN. Very odd how some players come to MN and have career-worst seasons, then get their mojo back when they leave.
 
I'm guessing this happens to every team, and we could find examples elsewhere. But for some reason it just seems like the Twins bring out the worst in veteran hitters.


I recall his stint with the Twins beginning at least a month into the season, after the draft pick compensation time had passed on the old version of the QO. He basically did spring training with the big league club in May and June and unsurprisingly sucked. I bet he’d have had a good year if he been signed in March.

I don’t really see a strong parallel with the two situations, although that doesn’t lessen my disappointment with Morrison.

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 08:44 AM

Back to the subject of clearing waivers, I'm still hoping we can unload Rodney on some other team.

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 09:29 AM

 

except Dan Gladden, Chile Davis, Don Baylor, Dave Winfield, Jim Thome....... 

Paul Molitor,Josh Willingham, Ryan Doumit, Jamey Carroll, Kurt Suzuki, Ed Nunez, Robbie Grossman and even Tori Hunter wasn't too bad.  

Who were the failures?Morales and Morrison?Tommy Herr?

I don't consider Morrison signing to be a mistake. It was a good move that simply didn't work out.

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 09:37 AM

 

I recall his stint with the Twins beginning at least a month into the season, after the draft pick compensation time had passed on the old version of the QO. He basically did spring training with the big league club in May and June and unsurprisingly sucked. I bet he’d have had a good year if he been signed in March.

Actually worse than that -- the Twins couldn't sign Morales until June 8 (once the draft started). And he started playing for us the next day, on June 9. Presumably he was working out on his own up to that point, but he was basically 3 months behind everyone else.

 

And coming full circle -- Morales came to the Twins from the Mariners, who had replaced Morales by acquiring... Logan Morrison! :)

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 09:46 AM

Morrison has 1 year with more than .0.8 fWAR......I think it is more likely that year is the anomaly than this year is......He's almost 31. I can't speak to anything about his clubhouse role, but looking just at outcomes, I'm not interested in him playing anymore this year, let alone next year. Bring up Austin, cut LOMO.

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