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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 03:48 PM

Earlier today, Aaron Gleeman posted a tweet with his updated Twins prospect rankings, so I decided to share mine on Twitter as well. Feel free to discuss these two rankings or if you find other updated rankings, post them here too..

 

 

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#2 gman

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 04:21 PM

It's interesting to note that our top 3 prospects could all make the Twins roster before age 22 perhaps age 21. Then there are anoth 4 or 5 who could make the roster before they are 24/25. This should make for a very young roster by 2021 when Rosario, Sano, Buxton, Berrios & Kepler will be the senior members of the team at 27/28.

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 06:55 PM

How is Duran Duran not number 1 at this point? I mean... dudes throw'n aces!
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Posted 02 August 2018 - 07:38 PM

How is Duran Duran not number 1 at this point? I mean... dudes throw'n aces!

They haven't been #1 since 1985:

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 07:54 PM

I am not even close to give it an intelligent thought regarding how these guys will rate among the other Twins' prospects quite yet, because lots of them will be traded.

 

That said:

 

I would agree that Duran should be higher than what the MLB.com pipeline rating is.Both he and Alcala have future closer stuff.

 

The other guy who popped out was Luke Raley.Same age, same level as Brent Rooker, and just almost as good in the numbers, other that K stuff.And the guy makes me think Logan Morrison for some reason.And I have not settled in my mind whether that is good or bad.Yet.

 

(and Kirilloff and Gordon and Gonsalves are all overrated btw ;)

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 08:03 PM

Kind of fun to compare your lists--there was a time when I toggled between Gleeman.com and Sethspeaks.net all the time.  Nice flashback.  The big discrepancy at first glance is on Landon Leach.

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 09:07 PM

Who is Misael Urbina?
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Posted 02 August 2018 - 09:33 PM

 

Who is Misael Urbina?

 

New guy, signed last month as the #3 international FA. 16 year old kid, it'll be a while, but like any 16 year old prospect, wide floor/ceiling bars.

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 07:39 AM

 

Kind of fun to compare your lists--there was a time when I toggled between Gleeman.com and Sethspeaks.net all the time.  Nice flashback.  The big discrepancy at first glance is on Landon Leach.

 

Leach is 32 for me. I saw him this spring and he is impressive. Throws really hard, ,just really raw. He could be one to watch in 2019!


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Posted 03 August 2018 - 08:06 AM

 

I am not even close to give it an intelligent thought regarding how these guys will rate among the other Twins' prospects quite yet, because lots of them will be traded.

 

That said:

 

I would agree that Duran should be higher than what the MLB.com pipeline rating is.Both he and Alcala have future closer stuff.

 

The other guy who popped out was Luke Raley.Same age, same level as Brent Rooker, and just almost as good in the numbers, other that K stuff.And the guy makes me think Logan Morrison for some reason.And I have not settled in my mind whether that is good or bad.Yet.

 

(and Kirilloff and Gordon and Gonsalves are all overrated btw ;)

 

Please explain how Kirilloff is over rated? I've seen you post this on many occasions and even on Twitter? I'd like to know what you see compared to every other person who follows the Twins and the National writer? Do you still think he won't adjust because he was home schooled?

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 08:17 AM

Miranda is way too low on both ranking lists. Why Baddoo is ahead of him is not clear to me. Baddoo is clearly a very good prospect, but what Miranda is doing is being underappreciated as far as the rankings go in my opinion.

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 08:18 AM

 

Leach is 32 for me. I saw him this spring and he is impressive. Throws really hard, ,just really raw. He could be one to watch in 2019!

Oh--well, not to split hairs, but isn't he at 18 on the list above?


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Posted 03 August 2018 - 08:40 AM

 

Miranda is way too low on both ranking lists. Why Baddoo is ahead of him is not clear to me. Baddoo is clearly a very good prospect, but what Miranda is doing is being underappreciated as far as the rankings go in my opinion.

 

Baddoo has better offensive production and more defensive value, but I'm a fan of Miranda and his stock is rising.

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 09:28 AM

I will grant the possibility of more defensive value if Baddoo sticks in center field. In terms of offensive production, he has 20 stolen bases to 0 for Miranda. Baddoo has a slight edge in OPS: .778 to .767. Baddoo has a little more edge in OBP: .361 to .326, but Miranda had a brutal start to this season. 

 

Look at Baddoo's strikeout total: 101 (Miranda has 49 strikeouts, and he has about 10 more games). Miranda's batting average is .279 compared to Baddoo's .246. Miranda has 72 rbis to Baddoo's 32.

 

I hope both are fabulously successful. I am just thinking Baddoo's hype and his numbers are maybe off a bit. I do like Baddoo's 9 homers.

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 09:40 AM

 

Please explain how Kirilloff is over rated?

 

Compared to Graterol and Rooker, he is. They are both ahead of him. 

 

Kiriloff's hit and power tool are above average and might be approaching plus.His fielding and arm are both below average and his speed/base running is much below average.He does not walk much (career: 0.044 isoD). To me he projects as a LF/DH.Which is fine.He is still a top 10 prospect in this system, with pretty much similar profile to Lanarch btw who might actually be a step ahead of them in fielding, arm, speed, and discipline.  

 

My point is that he is overrated, which means that I think that there are better prospects than him, not that he is a bad prospect.Just not that high in this team.

 

 

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 09:44 AM

 

Compared to Graterol and Rooker, he is. They are both ahead of him. 

 

Kiriloff's hit and power tool are above average and might be approaching plus.His fielding and arm are both below average and his speed/base running is much below average.He does not walk much (career: 0.044 isoD). To me he projects as a LF/DH.Which is fine.He is still a top 10 prospect in this system, with pretty much similar profile to Lanarch btw who might actually be a step ahead of them in fielding, arm, speed, and discipline.  

 

My point is that he is overrated, which means that I think that there are better prospects than him, not that he is a bad prospect.Just not that high in this team.

 

Rooker can't field a position, can he? That's one reason he's not higher ranked. At best he's a 1B/DH.

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 10:11 AM

 

Compared to Graterol and Rooker, he is. They are both ahead of him. 

 

Kiriloff's hit and power tool are above average and might be approaching plus.His fielding and arm are both below average and his speed/base running is much below average.He does not walk much (career: 0.044 isoD). To me he projects as a LF/DH.Which is fine.He is still a top 10 prospect in this system, with pretty much similar profile to Lanarch btw who might actually be a step ahead of them in fielding, arm, speed, and discipline.  

 

My point is that he is overrated, which means that I think that there are better prospects than him, not that he is a bad prospect.Just not that high in this team.

 

 

So he's overrated because you feel there are two prospects that should be higher than him? How does that make him overrated?

 

What position is Rooker going to play in the MLB? He isn't going to play OF and his bat is only going to make it if he can decrease his strikeout percentage below 30%. This is basically Kirilloff's first full season (He's 2.4 years younger than the league average) and he has a .974 fielding percentage in the OF compared to Rooker's .914 fielding percentage in the OF. Looking at Ranger Factor per 9 Kirilloff has a 1.83 in the OF this season and Rooker has a 1.16 in the OF.

 

So how is Rooker a better prospect?

 

*All of these stats are per baseball reference.

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 10:28 AM

 

So he's overrated because you feel there are two prospects that should be higher than him? How does that make him overrated?

 

What position is Rooker going to play in the MLB? He isn't going to play OF and his bat is only going to make it if he can decrease his strikeout percentage below 30%. This is basically Kirilloff's first full season (He's 2.4 years younger than the league average) and he has a .974 fielding percentage in the OF compared to Rooker's .914 fielding percentage in the OF. Looking at Ranger Factor per 9 Kirilloff has a 1.83 in the OF this season and Rooker has a 1.16 in the OF.

 

So how is Rooker a better prospect?

 

*All of these stats are per baseball reference.

 

Rooker is a first baseman, not an outfielder.So comparing them at OF does not make much sense. Rooker's plate discipline, power, speed, and fielding tools are better.And at the AA level.

 

Rooker can't field a position, can he? That's one reason he's not higher ranked. At best he's a 1B/DH.

 

He can field first base fine.They are playing him at the OF in the minors for versatility purposes and to give others reps at 1B, but he is not an outfielder.

 

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 10:42 AM

 

Rooker is a first baseman, not an outfielder.So comparing them at OF does not make much sense. Rooker's plate discipline, power, speed, and fielding tools are better.And at the AA level.

 

 

He can field first base fine.They are playing him at the OF in the minors for versatility purposes and to give others reps at 1B, but he is not an outfielder.

 

That was my point....an OF > 1B.....that's one reason Kiriloff is higher rated...

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 11:32 AM

 

That was my point....an OF > 1B.....that's one reason Kiriloff is higher rated...

 

If I could like this 100 times I would. You can’t claim a player whose only positions are 1st base and DH is a better fielder than a player who can play in the outfield, 1st base and DH.

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