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Article: BOS 10, MIN 4: Twins Blow Lead in Spectacular Fashion

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#1 Tom Froemming

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:02 PM

The Twins held a 4-1 lead after the first three inning of tonight’s game at Fenway Park, but things got ugly from there. Jake Odorizzi gave up five runs over five innings of work before the bullpen surrendered another five. To top it off, Miguel Sano struck out three times in his return from the minor leagues.Snapshot (chart via FanGraphs)
Jake Odorizzi: 34 Game Score, 5.0 IP, 5 ER, 5 K, 1 BB, 64.4% strikes
Home Runs: Logan Morrison (13)
Multi-Hit Games: Joe Mauer (2-for-4)
WPA of 0.1 or higher: Polanco .133, Dozier .122
WPA of -0.1 or lower: Rosario -.124, Moya -.144, Odorizzi -.290
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Let’s go around the horn …

First Base
Ryan Pressly made his Astros debut and gave up a solo homer in his inning of work. Eduardo Escobar started at third and hit fifth in his D-Backs debut. Seeing him in another uniform makes me want to throw my computer out the window.

Second Base
Anyway, let’s get to the guys who are still here. Well, for now, at least. Paul Molitor was in Cooperstown to celebrate Jack Morris’ induction into the Hall of Fame. That meant bench coach Derek Sheldon took over as manager, and that meant Matt Magill actually got to pitch.

Magill gave up a run on two hits over 1 ⅔ innings, but he also struck out three batters.

Third Base
That’s where Miguel Sano was, making his first appearance with the Twins since June 13. Parker wrote a great article titled Ready Or Not Here Comes Sano earlier today, I encourage you to check that out. Well, I don’t know if you could necessarily say that Sano didn’t look ready, but he certainly didn’t shine in his return. He was 0-for-4 with three strikeouts.

Home Plate
Gabriel Moya, the other guy who was just added to the 25-man roster, didn’t look so great himself. He faced four batters and gave up a double, a walk, a single and threw a wild pitch. I thought it was a little curious that the Twins would add a third lefty to the pen.

Zach Duke hasn’t pitched for three games now. Duke was already a likely trade candidate, but putting two and two together tells me his days in a Twins uni have to be numbered.

Bullpen Usage
Here’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:
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AL Central Standings
CLE 56-47
MIN 48-55 (-8)
DET 45-61 (-12.5)
CHW 37-67 (-19-5)
KC 32-72 (-24.5)

Next Three Games
Sun at BOS, 12:05 pm CT: Jose Berrios vs. Nathan Eovaldi
Mon vs. CLE, 7:10 pm CT: TBD
Tue vs. CLE, 7:10 pm CT: TBD

Last Three Games
BOS 4, MIN 3: No Escobar, but at Least We Still Have Belisle
MIN 2, BOS 1: Gibby the Great
MIN 12, TOR 6: More Like Er-win Sweep-tana!!!

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:09 PM

I think Duke goes to Red Sox. That has to be the reason he hasn't played. They don't want him to pitch against them in this series. My guess is he is traded tomorrow.
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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:24 PM

I agree that Duke not pitching means he is being traded to the Red Sox. I wonder what the Twins could get for Taylor Rogers, a lefty under team control who throws 94 mph and is sometimes quite effective and sometimes what he was tonight.

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:28 PM

 

I think Duke goes to Red Sox. That has to be the reason he hasn't played. They don't want him to pitch against them in this series. My guess is he is traded tomorrow.

Or maybe the Red Sox made noises about Duke so the Twins wouldn't use him in this game, instead using a lesser pitcher in Moya...

 

People aren't that sneaky, are they...?

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:40 PM

"Magill gave up a run on two hits over 1 ⅔ innings, but he also struck out three batters." Well, kind of. He pitched in 3 innings. On the stat sheet, he gave up two runs, but one was Taylor Rodgers (and the brain trust, who ordered two intentional walks) walking a third batter all on his own and walking in Betts with the bases now packed, instead of providing relief, so I will also go with he only gave up one run, too. 

 

And what? No Rodney?

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:48 PM

 

"Magill gave up a run on two hits over 1 ⅔ innings, but he also struck out three batters." Well, kind of. He pitched in 3 innings. On the stat sheet, he gave up two runs, but one was Taylor Rodgers and the brain trust (two intentional walks) walking in Betts instead of providing relief, so I will also go with he only gave up one run, too. 

 

And what? No Rodney?

Eh, what the hell, why not? We'll put down whatever we feel like. Nobody's gonna be reading these things anymore anyway :)

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 09:52 PM

 

Eh, what the hell, why not? We'll put down whatever we feel like. Nobody's gonna be reading these things anymore anyway :)

 

Now that is funny! Next up, Tom's stand up routine......

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 10:04 PM

 

Now that is funny! Next up, Tom's stand up routine......

I'm going full Bob Uecker in Major League now.

 

The post-game show is brought to you by … Christ, I can't find it. To hell with it.

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 04:38 AM

The only drum I can bang at this juncture is that the Twins have seven games against the Cleveland baseball club between now and August 9. That's it.

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 05:56 AM

Eh, what the hell, why not? We'll put down whatever we feel like. Nobody's gonna be reading these things anymore anyway :)

I will Tom, I promise. :). It's just like the news, one always checks out the most recent disaster first!
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Posted 29 July 2018 - 05:59 AM

Bottom line, they have committed themselves to at the minimum a major overhaul. I had no problem with that. But then they better do one, and not trade people and replace them with the next Belisle or Wislon.
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Posted 29 July 2018 - 06:07 AM

Paul Molitor was in Cooperstown to celebrate Jack Morris’ induction into the Hall of Fame. That meant bench coach Derek Sheldon took over as manager


Is this a little weird to anyone else? I mean, I absolutely support these guys taking off for family things, but this is a professional thing and it feels like a weak one. They were teammates for 1 season, and though their team won the World Series, Morris was awful that year and didn't even play in the postseason. I guess they faced each other as amateurs in St Paul, a year apart in school? Their post-playing careers don't seem to have much overlap either.

Couldn't Molitor Skype it in on a game day? The ceremony was presumably early and the game was late. I guess it is only a 4 hour drive from Cooperstown to Boston too.

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 06:40 AM

Is this a little weird to anyone else? I mean, I absolutely support these guys taking off for family things, but this is a professional thing and it feels like a weak one. They were teammates for 1 season, and though their team won the World Series, Morris was awful that year and didn't even play in the postseason. I guess they faced each other as amateurs in St Paul, a year apart in school? Their post-playing careers don't seem to have much overlap either.

Couldn't Molitor Skype it in on a game day? The ceremony was presumably early and the game was late. I guess it is only a 4 hour drive from Cooperstown to Boston too.

Every year I wonder why HOF festivities don’t coincide with the All Star break

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 07:00 AM

If there was already a deal in place to send Duke to Boston, they would announce it and he’d be in their uniform. They wouldn’t wait until after the series. Sure, they could be working on it yet. But there is no way Boston suggested that the Twins not use him while negotiations were ongoing. That would be tampering and could be construed as attempting to influence the outcome (i.e. fixing) of games. There is no way either team would do that. Anyone caught doing it would be banned for life.
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Posted 29 July 2018 - 07:53 AM

This is awfully early for malaise to set in, but we really only have trades, Rosario, and Berrios to make the Twins enjoyable.I saw that AZ was looking at Dozier or Escobar - why didn't we make them choose Dozier?  

 

Does Sano look better striking out with less weight?Was that the adjustment - 3 out of 4!  

 

This team just is not attractive to a fan except for the two I listed and Gibson.The FO has talked a lot and now has 4 new players in the top 30 prospect list - http://m.mlb.com/pro...s/2018?list=minBut what about the majors?I keep looking for a hook that will be the theme for the rest of the year and keep me watching, listening, caring.

 

One more final thought - we added more prospects, but we have not figured out how to make prospects into productive major leaguers so how does it help to have more prospects?

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 08:14 AM


One more final thought - we added more prospects, but we have not figured out how to make prospects into productive major leaguers so how does it help to have more prospects?


This exactly.

If your player development staff hasn’t been getting the job done, does it make sense to give them more projects?
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Posted 29 July 2018 - 08:25 AM

I dunno, seems to me this organization did a pretty good job at turning Eduardo Escobar and Ryan Pressly into major leaguers.

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 08:31 AM

Do we really need to run down the list of failed “can’t miss” prospects this organization has had over the last decade?

And how are Escobar or Pressly relevant to the conversation? They both started their tenures with the Twins at the MLB level.
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Posted 29 July 2018 - 08:59 AM

 

Do we really need to run down the list of failed “can’t miss” prospects this organization has had over the last decade?

And how are Escobar or Pressly relevant to the conversation? They both started their tenures with the Twins at the MLB level.

Pressly only had 27.2 IP at Double A when he joined the org and Escobar had a whopping 104 PAs with the White Sox. I feel like it's plenty fair to say both of those guys are developmental wins for this team.

 

I get there's a lot of negativity and frustration right now, but are you really ready to throw in the towel on a 25-year-old Miguel Sano and a 24-year-old Byron Buxton? Derek Falvey's only been running the show since Oct. 2016, you're ready to say he and his staff are not to be trusted with developing players from the lower levels?

 

You don't give this org any credit for developing guys like Jose Berrios or Eddie Rosario? Dozier, Kepler, Polanco, Hildneberger, Garver? How about how Kyle Gibson has blossomed under the current regime?

 

Every team is going to have more failures than success stories. For every eighth-round pick who comes out of nowhere to hit 40 homers you can find three dozen highly-touted players who failed to live up to expectations. 

 

I don't think the homegrown talent is the issue with this organization right now. Most of the issues are coming from the guys who they've brought in from the outside. Do we really need to run down the list of disappointing players this organization has traded for or signed as free agents over the last decade?

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 09:15 AM

Pressly only had 27.2 IP at Double A when he joined the org and Escobar had a whopping 104 PAs with the White Sox. I feel like it's plenty fair to say both of those guys are developmental wins for this team.

I get there's a lot of negativity and frustration right now, but are you really ready to throw in the towel on a 25-year-old Miguel Sano and a 24-year-old Byron Buxton? Derek Falvey's only been running the show since Oct. 2016, you're ready to say he and his staff are not to be trusted with developing players from the lower levels?

You don't give this org any credit for developing guys like Jose Berrios or Eddie Rosario? Dozier, Kepler, Polanco, Hildneberger, Garver? How about how Kyle Gibson has blossomed under the current regime?

Every team is going to have more failures than success stories. For every eighth-round pick who comes out of nowhere to hit 40 homers you can find three dozen highly-touted players who failed to live up to expectations.

I don't think the homegrown talent is the issue with this organization right now. Most of the issues are coming from the guys who they've brought in from the outside. Do we really need to run down the list of disappointing players this organization has traded for or signed as free agents over the last decade?


Pressly and Escobar aren’t relevant to the conversation because they never worked in-season with the minor league player development personnel. The comment you quoted of mine was in direct response to a post about acquiring minor league prospects.

I made no mention of Sano or Buxton.

So, that is twice in a single post that you directed your response in a completely different way than the post to which you were replying.

I’m not going to change my opinion. The results on the field for the last 7 or so years speak for themselves.



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