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#21 Carole Keller

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 07:26 AM

Credit to Santana, he gritted this one out. Have to tip your cap to the guy. First MLB start in a long, long time.

When Garver gets hot, he really is a great addition to this lineup!

Twins score 12 runs, Morrison goes 0-4 with two K's and 3 men LOB. His batting average is now .192. Only Joey Gallo (who has 25 HR and 55 RBI) and Chris Davis (just plain terrible at .153) are worse among qualified batters. That's in all of MLB, not just the AL.

That sweep to KC looks worse every day.

Welp, on to Beantown. I would absolutely love to see the Twins go on a tear and win that series! I know it's a pipe dream, but that's what being a baseball fan's all about.


Yep, it’s a pipe dream for sure. But we’ll have every Yankees’ fan out there cheering us on! :)
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Posted 26 July 2018 - 07:43 AM

 

Wow! A sweep of the Blue Jays...Garver was hitting everything in sight. Oh how I wish I could have watched this one. 

 

Those must have been a couple of interesting (ugly?) innings by Belisle. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if Toronto bailed Belisle out instead of the other way around. I can imagine him being brought into games more frequently instead of being released...

 

I think Hildenberger is STILL the most reliable person in the pen, but he has pitched in four of the last five. He was probably exhausted.

Belisle pitched well. He kept hitters off balance and was not hit hard. He was in trouble in his 9th inning as a result of a two singles. The second single was a weak bloop just over the infield. Bad luck for the Twins on the bloop. Bad base running for the Jays on the double play. A single, two strike outs and a lazy fly ball to right field in the 10th. 

 

A very good performance. If doesn't mean anything for the rest of the season but he executed his pitches and kept hitters off balance when the Twins desperately needed a few innings.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 07:48 AM

I understand Garver was not Option A; he was supposed to be the backup.However, after last night, among all catchers in baseball with at least 200 plate appearances, he ranks 7th in BA, 6th in OBP and 10th in WAR.There is ZERO reason he should be in a 50/50 split with Bobby Wilson.He should be playing 2 out of 3 at a bare minimum.Yet another reason to LOVE Molitor's 'managing'.  

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 07:50 AM

 

Wow! A sweep of the Blue Jays...Garver was hitting everything in sight. Oh how I wish I could have watched this one. 

 

Those must have been a couple of interesting (ugly?) innings by Belisle. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if Toronto bailed Belisle out instead of the other way around. I can imagine him being brought into games more frequently instead of being released...

 

I think Hildenberger is STILL the most reliable person in the pen, but he has pitched in four of the last five. He was probably exhausted.

Belisle looked good to me.  Not some dominating flamethrower, mind you.  More like what he--and Santana--are: wizened, ultra-calm vets. Its like having Yoda and Mace Windu pitching. He even mind-tricked Morales into getting doubled off for the second time.  I would like scouts to invent a 100 point scale, with Greg Maddux on the top end and Nuke Laloosh on the other, that basically just describes how well a pitcher (and catcher?) actually knows how to pitch strategically.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 07:59 AM

I agree, No point in releasing Morrison. Sure, he's been a major disappointment this year. but I keep hoping he'll get hot before the month is over (hmm... not much time left) or in early August, and then maybe maybe maybe some team will give up a low level prospect for him. Gotta keep hoping for a miracle.


There absolutely is a point to releasing him. To give someone else the at bats. Vargas if anyone still thinks he can be helpful or more likely Lamonte Wade.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 08:00 AM

 

Twins won a WS with Brian Harper as catcher, a very good hitter who was deficient on the defense. 

 

I think Garver is better defensively, but a notch below offensively.

 

I'd like to see the Twins turn it over to him next season, with Castro as backup.

 

 What makes you think Brian Harper was deficient on defense? I remember him as a pretty good catcher – not amazing but proficient. I can’t find Gleeman’s writeup of him in his never-to-be-finished Top 50 Twins but I remember him calling Harper underrated defensively.

I think what happens is every time a catcher can’t hit (see Butera, Drew) he gets a reputation as a defensive stalwart. Must be, otherwise how would he make the pros? And outside of your Mauers and Poseys (Posies?), offensive catchers get an automatic downgrade (because defensive catchers are supposed to not hit). It’s confirmation bias at its worst.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 08:04 AM

 

Belisle looked good to me.  Not some dominating flamethrower, mind you.  More like what he--and Santana--are: wizened, ultra-calm vets. Its like having Yoda and Mace Windu pitching. He even mind-tricked Morales into getting doubled off for the second time.  I would like scouts to invent a 100 point scale, with Greg Maddux on the top end and Nuke Laloosh on the other, that basically just describes how well a pitcher (and catcher?) actually knows how to pitch strategically.

So what's the theory -- that sometimes Belisle just forgets to "pitch strategically"? Or doesn't always have the stuff to execute it? Because we sure haven't trusted him to do this very often (if at all) so far in 2018.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 08:05 AM

TheThe Twins should wait til the end of this Boston series to sell. Boston’s rotation and pen are all out of whack because of the many insane rain delays this week in Baltimore. They win 3 of 4 and the Indians win 1 of 2 and I think you can’t sell unless you get a Godfather offer.

The nice thing is that the Twins don’t have to buy, they just stand pat. There aren’t any obvious holes besides backup catcher and with Sano and Buxton potentially coming back, some reinforcements ready in the wings.

You lose some prospects but the Twins weren’t going to get that much anyway – Escobar is their best expiring guy and he’s more of a bargain buy. With Gordon looking less likely to be an opening day starter, I have no issues offering QOs to Dozier and Escobar and daring them to take it (Escobar won’t because this is his first big contract and I doubt Dozier will because of pride).

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 08:08 AM

 

There absolutely is a point to releasing him. To give someone else the at bats. Vargas if anyone still thinks he can be helpful or more likely Lamonte Wade.

Looking at his statcast numbers he really isn't that far off last year in his batted ball numbers. His xWOBA was .371 last year and .360 this year. The batted ball results (slash stats) are poor but they are not reliable for future projection at a partial season sample.

 

I think the xWOBA provides a better projection for the future. I would certainly keep him if I can't find a trade partner. 

 

 


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Posted 26 July 2018 - 08:16 AM

They likely had a plan for his development and Castro was a part of that plan. Wilson was plan B. I wish they had a better plan B but any veteran catcher signing with the Twins knew plan B starts in AAA. I hope and kind of expect we will see Garver starting 4 times a week. He hasn’t been catching Gibson or Berrios very often. When he does that will be a sign of getting the larger workload. In fact he had been catching only Lynn and Idorizzi for a while. This week he caught both Mejia and Santana. The Twins may already be increasing his usage. I hope so.

My impression is that Garver caught about 2/3 of the time after Castro went down, but has only caught 50/50 since the start of July, and this additional rest has allowed him to refresh and cut down on the glaring mistakes. So I am ok with Garver continuing to get no more than half the games behind the dish for now.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 08:56 AM

This is a pretty weird Twins team. They're definitely under performing overall, they've had some bad luck, and they just haven't had a lot go right.

 

Coming off a nice run into the all-star break, they fall flat on their face against an awful KC team. Then they come back and sweep Toronto?

 

Glad to see Garver hitting. He's actually been pretty good this season, taken a solid step forward from his cup of coffee last year. He's still got work to do on his catching to stick back there as a starter, but he's already a nice asset with his hitting and positional flexibility.

 

Oh, another "fun" Twins stat: Record in One Run Games: 5-17.227 Yuck. There's your margin with Cleveland right there.


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Posted 26 July 2018 - 09:49 AM

I have not read one word of the thread, I just wanted to type how much I love the title.

 

Now, I'll go read the thread.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 09:54 AM

 

I understand Garver was not Option A; he was supposed to be the backup.However, after last night, among all catchers in baseball with at least 200 plate appearances, he ranks 7th in BA, 6th in OBP and 10th in WAR.There is ZERO reason he should be in a 50/50 split with Bobby Wilson.He should be playing 2 out of 3 at a bare minimum.Yet another reason to LOVE Molitor's 'managing'.  

 

100% this.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 10:11 AM

Garver in his last 30 games has an OPS of .932; that’s great for anyone, let alone a catcher. The problem is, those 30 games comprise only 80 at bats, which suggests he’s only actually started 20 games, and pinch hit in the other 10. Those 30 games start on June 7, a total of 42 Twins games. In those 42 games, the Twins are 21-21; how many more wins would the Twins have if they had Garver’s elite production for more of those games, instead of Wilson’s .475 OPS?
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Posted 26 July 2018 - 10:13 AM

 

So what's the theory -- that sometimes Belisle just forgets to "pitch strategically"? Or doesn't always have the stuff to execute it? Because we sure haven't trusted him to do this very often (if at all) so far in 2018.

The theory is Belisle is plan C. The FO has every intention of replacing him on the roster, with a back of the bullpen guy at the trade deadline, if at all possible. If I'm not mistaken, board scapegoat Belisle had the lowest ERA on the team after 6-15 last season.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 11:25 AM

What was up with the 0-2 semi-overhand fastball right down the middle that Hildenberger threw? That batter was toast if Hildy would have just thrown something slow a foot off the plate in the lefty batters box.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 03:42 PM

"Twins manager Paul Molitor said. "Garv just had a phenomenal day. Started his first at-bat, the homer, the hit to right, the double. It was just one of those games where we needed everything." "

 

So now he calls him "Garv"! Molitor won't play him, nearly enough, even when he is the hottest hitter on the team.... but now he acts like he is fond of him. Nice.


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Posted 27 July 2018 - 12:11 AM

Thanks for the update. It says line drive outs on the summary, but if they were not well hit then kudos to Belisle...although, I can't come to say that he has earned my trust just yet.

 

Belisle pitched well. He kept hitters off balance and was not hit hard. He was in trouble in his 9th inning as a result of a two singles. The second single was a weak bloop just over the infield. Bad luck for the Twins on the bloop. Bad base running for the Jays on the double play. A single, two strike outs and a lazy fly ball to right field in the 10th. 

 

A very good performance. If doesn't mean anything for the rest of the season but he executed his pitches and kept hitters off balance when the Twins desperately needed a few innings.

 




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