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Article: MIN 8, KC 5: Twins Recover from Rough Start

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#21 bighat

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 06:23 AM

Jake Cave is going to be our Max Muncey. I prefer seeing Cave's name in the lineup over Buxton. Go Twins, sweep TB!

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 06:57 AM

 

I'm glad to see Dozier beginning his annual second half surge.

 

1.256 OPS over the last six.

 

Though it's funny that three years ago people complained that he was a first-half only player and always faded down the stretch. The first half/second half thing is likely our imagination. More accurately, Brian Dozier is capable of going nuclear for weeks and months at a time. When he does, he carries a lineup.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 06:59 AM

 

Even thought the Twins are out of it, ten games back, its still nicer to listen to winning baseball. It will be interesting to see how they do against a team on a roll like Tampa.

 

On a side note, is there a spot on Twins Daily that lists the daily roster transactions?? I was listening last night and when they mentioned that Busenitz was pitching, I was wondering 'when did he get called up'?

 

The twins are 8.5 back and have ten to play against the Clevelanders. They are certainly not out of it, especially since they're a team that looks better on paper than they do in real life. They could be due for some regression to the mean in the nicest of ways.

 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:01 AM

 

Love your semi optimism, but as long as LoMo, Grossman, Kepler, Cave ( we will see on him), are regulars, and our hammering the few guys in the bullpen, this team cannot, I mean cannot beat average or better teams.

It is time to sell.

 

Kepler and LoMo have better underlying numbers that indicate their results are lower than expected and could be due for a bounce back. Buxton will likely be back at some point after the break. Grossman and Cave will not be playing every day at that point, more filling in at DH, OF a few days a week. The pen has been relatively solid and Pressley and Hildy look to be rounding back into form. Taylor Rogers had a nice outing too and they used Buesnitz in a relatively important situation.

 

It's time to hold pat until right at the deadline. If they can get within four or five, you buy a backup catcher, sell a bullpen arm and see what happens.

 

P.S. If the Indians lose 3/4 vs. Yankees and the Twins win 3/4 vs the Rays we'll be 6.5 out at the break. That doesn't seem totally unreasonable.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:07 AM

 

I will not argue - it is good for every fan to find what they can accept.For me he just pitched a mediocre game and got away with it 

 

I dunno, Polanco should've turned two on that ball. It wasn't a gimme but it was there. Yeah, Lynn's gotta buckle down and get out of it but I thought he pitched relatively well and kept the Twins in it after some bad first inning luck.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:26 AM

I love how beating two of the worst teams in major league baseball's recent history suddenly has people thinking playoffs again.

Someone queue up Picard's facepalm for when we stop playing AA teams.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:28 AM

I love this "sell" talk. Mauer is going no where. Does anyone think the Twins will trade a Dozier or, heaven forbid. an Escobar or Rosario and come out ahead? If they trade 1 second tier player for another so what? I think players like Cave should be given a very long leash I say win every game they can when they can and don't shop anyone. If a desperate team comes to them with an offer too good to refuse ok but don't advertise anyone. I don't trust any front office that has the number 1 draft pick in all of MLB and that player simply disappears.

 

At least split with Tampa, take the All Star break , except Berrios who is probably doomed like past few Twins' All Stars (see Sano, Perkins, Kintzler, Santana). Thank goodness Rosario didn't make it.

Post All Star simply stay on Cleveland's heels and see what happens in September.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:30 AM

P.S. If the Indians lose 3/4 vs. Yankees and the Twins win 3/4 vs the Rays we'll be 6.5 out at the break. That doesn't seem totally unreasonable.

Nine times out of ten, these 50-50 chances never seem to work out. :)

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:36 AM

 

Baseball is unique in that it is an individual sport played as a team game.  

 

I disagree. Baseball is a team sport with individual metrics. This is a disconnect more than anything else.


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:45 AM

 

I disagree. Baseball is a team sport with individual metrics. This is a disconnect more than anything else.

 

I dunno. It's a pretty individual sport. 90% of it is a one-on-one matchup between a pitcher and a hitter. Once it's in play the other guys get involved (and they do influence the pitcher-hitter battle by shifting or stealing or pitching out) but the main draw is that one-on-one aspect. That's the action that drives the rest.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:11 AM

I dunno. It's a pretty individual sport. 90% of it is a one-on-one matchup between a pitcher and a hitter. Once it's in play the other guys get involved (and they do influence the pitcher-hitter battle by shifting or stealing or pitching out) but the main draw is that one-on-one aspect. That's the action that drives the rest.

I agree. There are one-on-one matchups to be watched in football and basketball, but coaches have the option to switch off or double team at any time. You can't double-team your opponent's ace pitcher with your lefty-righty outfield platoon taking up their spots in the batter's boxes simultaneously - they'd knock each other's heads off on a high fastball down the middle! :)

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:48 AM

 

I love how beating two of the worst teams in major league baseball's recent history suddenly has people thinking playoffs again.

Someone queue up Picard's facepalm for when we stop playing AA teams.

 

all time history. They could lost 110 - 120 games this year. All time bad teams. Not even really competitive at all.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 09:17 AM

 

all time history. They could lost 110 - 120 games this year. All time bad teams. Not even really competitive at all.

 

Yeah, didn't want to post that until I looked it up.But you're right, these could be the two worst teams of all time.

 

And people are talking about playoffs?Can I get a meme of Picard face-palming while Jim Mora yells "Playoffs?!?!?"

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 09:36 AM

 

Yeah, didn't want to post that until I looked it up.But you're right, these could be the two worst teams of all time.

 

And people are talking about playoffs?Can I get a meme of Picard face-palming while Jim Mora yells "Playoffs?!?!?"

It's way too early to count on anything in either direction, though the obvious take is that the Twins are close to out of it.

 

But Cleveland isn't exactly a powerhouse this season, anyway.

 

I'm perfectly content to see the front office sit on their hands for two more weeks and then reevaluate. Maybe you try to move Lynn early and replace him with Romero, that's fine.

 

But there's nothing to be done right now, anyway. If Dozier is truly on fire, his value only climbs over the next couple of weeks. I'm interested in retaining Escobar so I'm in no rush to move him, particularly if he's drifting back to a .750-.800 OPS, which is probably closer to a real evaluation of his skill level and makes it easier to keep him in the offseason.

 

The bullpen pieces won't bring enough back to make me care. None of them are good enough to be a July 15th trade anyway. They're a last-minute trade at best and you still probably get nothing worth mentioning for any of them.

 

I want to see what the Twins have in them over the next couple of weeks. Maybe we are pleasantly surprised by the results but I'm not holding my breath here.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 09:38 AM

 

His slump helped bury the Twins early on. Hopefully he's building his trade value.

 

Even thought the Twins are out of it, ten games back, its still nicer to listen to winning baseball. It will be interesting to see how they do against a team on a roll like Tampa.

 

On a side note, is there a spot on Twins Daily that lists the daily roster transactions?? I was listening last night and when they mentioned that Busenitz was pitching, I was wondering 'when did he get called up'?

I always look to TD for daily updates too.I find the Minor League Report gives me the best transactions.

 


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 09:57 AM

 

I will not argue - it is good for every fan to find what they can accept.For me he just pitched a mediocre game and got away with it 

 

Lynn's style and command always make him look 10 times worse many of his given outings. 

 

I agree with those who saw this as him righting the ship after the first inning to a degree, but it still was no fun to watch.It seems he goes 3-2 on every hitter, and he's always laboring.It's like any Pelfrey outing or bad Contreras outings.I'm sure he did his whole "stare into the soul" thing with Molitor after the 5th inning, got the go ahead and then gave Pressly a s$%$-sandwich (Pressly somehow thought the sandwich needed an extra turd, but that's beside the point).  

 

I definitely agree with you about Lynn getting away with it. Pressly got it done. I would say with the help of the umpire, but it was Drew "I'm likely to get out anyway" Butera.It was priceless seeing Pressly's smirk when he tried to throw the same pitch to Merrifield with two strikes and didn't get the call.

 

Lynn had a 36 game score, so the numbers don't lie. He battled, but it wasn't a good outing by any means.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:21 AM

 

I love how beating two of the worst teams in major league baseball's recent history suddenly has people thinking playoffs again.

Someone queue up Picard's facepalm for when we stop playing AA teams.

It's a long shot, obviously, but who you beat isn't particularly meaningful. All W's count the same. Other teams have beaten up on KC and Balt, too, obviously. 

 

The Twins are a better team than they've played. I'd prefer to at least wait until late July before giving up on anything.

 

And for the record, if you really want to consider who've they've beaten, the Twins are 16-10 against Boston, Cleveland, Houston, the LAA, and St Louis.

 

 

 

 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:33 AM

 

It's way too early to count on anything in either direction, though the obvious take is that the Twins are close to out of it.

 

But Cleveland isn't exactly a powerhouse this season, anyway.

 

I'm perfectly content to see the front office sit on their hands for two more weeks and then reevaluate. Maybe you try to move Lynn early and replace him with Romero, that's fine.

 

But there's nothing to be done right now, anyway. If Dozier is truly on fire, his value only climbs over the next couple of weeks. I'm interested in retaining Escobar so I'm in no rush to move him, particularly if he's drifting back to a .750-.800 OPS, which is probably closer to a real evaluation of his skill level and makes it easier to keep him in the offseason.

 

The bullpen pieces won't bring enough back to make me care. None of them are good enough to be a July 15th trade anyway. They're a last-minute trade at best and you still probably get nothing worth mentioning for any of them.

 

I want to see what the Twins have in them over the next couple of weeks. Maybe we are pleasantly surprised by the results but I'm not holding my breath here.

 

We're talking about 16 games.They'd have to go 12-4 just to get to .500.Yes, Cleveland is not a juggernaut, but 7 games against the worst teams in baseball history should not change our perception of the team.

 

This is still a team that got it's ass handed to it in Milwaukee and Chicago.And the majority of the first half of the season.It's like being in the eye of the hurricane and proclaiming "storm's over!"No...we just hit a comfy part of the schedule.Nothing more, nothing less.

 

It shouldn't change what this team is doing by July 31st.No one is demanding they make a deal right now, by noon or something.Just not to get deluded by pasting AA teams at home.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:42 AM

It's a long shot, obviously, but who you beat isn't particularly meaningful. All W's count the same. Other teams have beaten up on KC and Balt, too, obviously.

The Twins are a better team than they've played. I'd prefer to at least wait until late July before giving up on anything.

And for the record, if you really want to consider who've they've beaten, the Twins are 16-10 against Boston, Cleveland, Houston, the LAA, and St Louis.


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I don’t see either team as a contender. St. Louis maybe as a long shot.

I would also say in a general sense that it looks like Cleveleland isn’t “running away” with the division because three teams in the AL are winning 65% of their games right now. And another at 62.4%. Last year, the Cleveland led AL with 63%. Cleveland’s current 54.9% would have been better than every second place team last year except the Yankees.

My point being is there are 4 teams way better than the rest of the AL. The only remaining spot is the AL Central. Could Cleveland collapse and the Twins get lucky? Sure. That’s where the 2% or whatever it is now odds come in to play. But I think it is pretty clear that the Twins have no chance beating any of the 4 great teams in the AL in a playoff series. The talent simply isn’t there.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 11:24 AM

I dunno. It's a pretty individual sport. 90% of it is a one-on-one matchup between a pitcher and a hitter. Once it's in play the other guys get involved (and they do influence the pitcher-hitter battle by shifting or stealing or pitching out) but the main draw is that one-on-one aspect. That's the action that drives the rest.

It's also a player against the ball. It's not a pass Fromm QB or a point guard. It's a ball hit in a random direction, that an individual player has to catch. Baseball is a very easy game to be selfish about, and play only to pad your stats.
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