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#101 Mike Sixel

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:14 PM

 

- If the playoff game was tomorrow, I probably wouldn't start Gray over Gibson. If it was in 3 months I would certainly think long and hard about it. Gray has been a better pitcher throughout their careers, especially when you adjust for park. It's not even that close. 

 

- Fans don't matter. What we do, say and think has no bearing on how teams operate their roster. 

 

- Since the start of 2017.Jon Gray's GB% = 47.5%.Kyle Gibson's GB% = 49.7%. Jon Gray K%/BB% = 26.5%/6.8%. Gibson's = 19.7%/10.5%. What exactly makes Gray a bad fit for Coors yet Gibson a good one?

 

you'd have to ask teh team, in the middle of a playoff race, that sent Gray down that question.....

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#102 alarp33

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:16 PM

 

you'd have to ask teh team, in the middle of a playoff race, that sent Gray down that question.....

 

Like the Twins sending Gibson down in a playoff race last year? 

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#103 nicksaviking

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:48 PM

 

- If the playoff game was tomorrow, I probably wouldn't start Gray over Gibson. If it was in 3 months I would certainly think long and hard about it. Gray has been a better pitcher throughout their careers, especially when you adjust for park. It's not even that close. 

 

- Fans don't matter. What we do, say and think has no bearing on how teams operate their roster. 

 

- Since the start of 2017.Jon Gray's GB% = 47.5%.Kyle Gibson's GB% = 49.7%. Jon Gray K%/BB% = 26.5%/6.8%. Gibson's = 19.7%/10.5%. What exactly makes Gray a bad fit for Coors yet Gibson a good one?

 

Gray is a bad fit because four-seamers aren't naturally supposed to create groundballs but he is or the team is making him throw them almost exclusively low in the zone surely in an attempt to limit HR. They've been getting crushed with an ISO on his four-seamer of .234 this year, likely because the pitch location is so predictable.

 

He's pitching like a sinkerballer without a sinkerball.


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 01:02 PM

 

Gray is a bad fit because four-seamers aren't naturally supposed to create groundballs but he is or the team is making him throw them almost exclusively low in the zone surely in an attempt to limit HR. They've been getting crushed with an ISO on his four-seamer of .234 this year, likely because the pitch location is so predictable.

 

He's pitching like a sinkerballer without a sinkerball.

 

4 seam fastballs get crushed because they miss middle up, which is what Gray's biggest problem has been (command), not because they consistently stay low in the zone

 

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#105 TFRazor

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 01:56 PM

 

I never said the negotiation hinged on those splits.It was only an example of ways Dozier's value can be further deflated.As I said in the last post, there wasn't a market for him last year.There isn't much of a market this year and he now only a two month rental.

 

I guess we can sell the "Dozier gets hot in the second half angle" but then that is only lip service.What team is going to part with anything much by pinning their hopes on that?

 

A team that wants to win a title and thinks that they are just a 2B who plays solid defense and could give you 20+ homers away from winning it?

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#106 ewen21

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Posted 16 July 2018 - 12:35 PM

 

A team that wants to win a title and thinks that they are just a 2B who plays solid defense and could give you 20+ homers away from winning it?

That is all very cute, but we know what happened last year.

 

 




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