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#21 birddog

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:29 AM

I, too, am totally dumbfounded with this move. This is such a Terry Ryan move. Twins are loyal to a fault with players who do not deserve to be on a MLB roster, like the player we finally released, Pettit. And don't get me started on how we are keeping Grossman for no apparent reason. At some point the loyalty has to go to our minor league prospects who have proved at every level they deserve at least a shot.

 

Also agree with earlier poster who said it's the offense that needs major help. Once again we are totally baffled with 85 mph fastballs and 76 mph curves last night. Does the FO really believe Polanco and Buxton returning are going to transform us into a team that can consistently score runs? 


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:32 AM

 

 

Trevor May is working his way back from Tommy John surgery. As his rehab stint ended, the Twins optioned him to Rochester and he has worked out of the bullpen since.

 

This is not correct.May is still doing rehab, but switched to the pen for some reason.  

 

Were he reinstated and optioned, he would had needed a spot on the 40-man roster.He is still on the 60-day DL.In other words Belisle (who is as relevant for the Twins as David Hale was) is just keeping May's spot warm, unless the Twins have seen enough of Duffey (and his attitude, btw, whining when demoted first time) to DFA him instead.

 

 

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:34 AM

This is not correct. May is still doing rehab, but switched to the pen for some reason.

Were he reinstated and optioned, he would had needed a spot on the 40-man roster. He is still on the 60-day DL. In other words Belisle (who is as relevant for the Twins as David Hale was) is just keeping May's spot warm, unless the Twins have seen enough of Duffey (and his attitude, btw, whining when demoted first time) to DFA him instead.

He is off the DL and was optioned. Castro was moved to 60-day DL to make room. This happened several days ago now. Maybe a week?
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:34 AM

Maybe they want to pick his brain about the Cleveland pitchers and coaches. Once he’s debriefed, they’ll send him packing (unless he’s good) and bring up the AAA relievers.
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:42 AM

 

I'm guessing, most likely, that Belisle had an opt-out date of June 11th that the Twins were aware of. If they had not signed him, he would have had other offers.

How so? Nobody gave him a MLB offer a month ago. Or this past winter.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:42 AM

 

I concur. If the Twins are sellers (and I still think they should and will be), Reed and Rodney are the ones at the top of most teams’ want list. Don’t really want to put a green rookie in the closer role. Pressly would be next in line, but he could be dealt as well. With a few years of control remaining, he would command a higher return. Next in line would be Hildenberger, with barely a year at the MLB level.

If the Twins are selling, they should go all in.

Rodney, Reed, Magil, Presley, Lynn, Ororizzi, Dozier, Escobar.

Why half arse it.

They have replacements for all of them.

 

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:43 AM

 

This is not correct.May is still doing rehab, but switched to the pen for some reason.  

 

Were he reinstated and optioned, he would had needed a spot on the 40-man roster.He is still on the 60-day DL.In other words Belisle (who is as relevant for the Twins as David Hale was) is just keeping May's spot warm, unless the Twins have seen enough of Duffey (and his attitude, btw, whining when demoted first time) to DFA him instead.

May was activated and optioned on June 7, per his MLB page:

 

http://www.milb.com/...tching/2018/ALL

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:49 AM

May was activated and optioned on June 7, per his MLB page:

 

http://www.milb.com/...tching/2018/ALL

TD's minor league report of that day also conveyed the news, for those who read that site:

 

http://twinsdaily.co...f-on-opponents/

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:53 AM

Record since acquiring Belisle: 1-0.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:57 AM

 

Late in the offseason, he signed a one year, $1.5 million deal with Cleveland. He made the Opening Day roster. He began the season with three scoreless outings before giving up runs in his next three outings. He responded with two scoreless outings. Cleveland DFAd him. Belisle became a free agent, but soon re-signed with the team. He was released on Sunday and signed with the Twins on Tuesday.

Seth, this is incorrect/incomplete.

 

- Belisle signed a minor league deal with Cleveland, which was only worth $1.5 mil if he made the team. This is pretty compelling evidence that he failed to get an MLB contract offer this winter.

 

- He was bad in spring training. I don't normally put too much stock in spring training stats, but for a guy on a minor league deal fighting for a job, they should be a useful barometer. 22 hits and 8 runs allowed in 11.1 innings this spring.

 

- Belisle perhaps only made the team due to injuries (Salazar and Merritt were placed on the DL the same day).

 

- Belisle was a mop-up reliever for Cleveland, with a .59 game-entering leverage index, comparable to Rule 5 pick Justin Haley's usage last year.

 

- Belisle was DFA'd about a month into the season, presumably cleared waivers and rejected an assignment to AAA and elected free agency. Then he was a free agent for 8 days before re-signing another minor league deal with Cleveland on May 16. Again, pretty compelling evidence that no one was offering Belisle a MLB deal less than a month ago.

 

- His most recent appearance was also his worst, 5 hits and 4 runs in 2/3 of an inning at AAA on June 8.

 

What does this mean? It means the Twins as well as the entire league passed on giving Belisle an MLB deal this offseason, and did so again less than a month ago in mid-May. And his performance to date has largely justified that judgement.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:59 AM

TD's minor league report of that day also conveyed the news, for those who read that site:
 
http://twinsdaily.co...f-on-opponents/

While there's lots of info on "that site" I cannot believe they have not been covering the raccoon going up the bank building. It's that type of coverage that drives me to peruse Twinkie Town, ocassionaly. :)
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:00 AM

Speaking of: The raccoon on the bank building and Belisle on a MLB roster. What do they have in common?

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:01 AM

I think a few weeks is fine to see how Belisle and the Twins do before the trade deadline where there could be several bullpen jobs available and several minorleagers brought up then. Most of the AAA relievers need to work on control anyway as around 4 walks per 9 innings is too many.
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:02 AM

This does make you wonder if there is a trade coming.Busenitz would seem to have checked all of the boxes for an MLB call up with his solid MLB performance last year and his AAA performance this year. Duffy was good in his last stint and the list goes on. We badly need a catcher for this year and probably next. Maybe this tells us that the team is trying to make a deal for a Wilson Ramos type and Busenitz, Curtis, and/or Duffy is part of the package going back. 


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:05 AM

 

Most of the AAA relievers need to work on control anyway as around 4 walks per 9 innings is too many.

Busenitz (1.9 BB/9 at Rochester) and Duffey (2.3) need to work on their control? Or we're just going to lump them in with other pitchers who do, for no apparent reason except to justify signing Belisle as our 13th pitcher?

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:05 AM

Okay, what are the Twins doing about the offense. Mauer, Polanco and Buxton will be back. I guess that solves the need to keep Cave/LaMarre. A pitcher will probably have to go. And maybe it will be BOTH LaMarre/Cave with Grossman as the backup. That sends chills of anticipation.

 

But then we have "where to play Escobar." Of course, Mauer at DH, Sano at 1st, Escobar at 33rd. So Grossman is the bench bat with Adrianza and Wilson (until Rupp gets the call).

 

Maybe we need a veteran clubhouse guy to rally the clubhouse, the dugout, the bench. The bullpen seems to have their mentors up the wazoo at this point.

 

Anyway, the Twins are still one-up in the pitching department and the Belisle leash may be short (or a month, at the most).

 

Yes, though, it sends a message to the Duffy's at Rochester..."why not me, again" as well as the future building blocks in an overstuffed 40-man pitching roster (couldn't Slegers fill this role, will Mejia ever see the majors again...who will depart when the Twins do have to add names like Reed and Bard and Anderson to the 40-man roster?

 

Further complications when you have to shuffle the deck for Ervin Santana.

 

Oh, yes, Trevor May is out there, still working on returning. And he will return!

 

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:08 AM

 

Maybe this tells us that the team is trying to make a deal for a Wilson Ramos type and Busenitz, Curtis, and/or Duffy is part of the package going back. 

So these guys can't beat out Matt Belisle for the 8th bullpen spot -- but Tampa's going to insist they are included in a major trade?

 

Also, those guys aren't in MLB now and don't require Belisle to replace them on the roster even if they were dealt. Except perhaps as "depth" but it's a really weird way to address depth by adding a 13th pitcher to your roster who doesn't have options.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:17 AM

If they activate Mauer soon (he just started a rehab assignment for Rochester yesterday), this also means the only move they can really make is sending down LaMarre or Cave (barring another injury in the meantime). So gone is the CF platoon, and say hello to Robbie Grossman, exclusive 4th outfielder again.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:18 AM

 

And of course how long will they go with a 3 man bench? It must be extremely discouraging for the MiLB players to work their ass off and see the FO bring in a retread instead of them. One can be "challenged" only so often before the challenge becomes a discouragement.

If they can't take the heat, time to get out of the fire.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:22 AM

 

If they can't take the heat, time to get out of the fire.

 

They haven't been given the chance to take the heat.

 

If Belisle was brought in because they needed his "leadership" that doesn't speak too well of Rodney, Reed and Duke.

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