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#21 DocBauer

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:17 PM

It really comes down to how much the Twins believe in Garver as a starter this year and next.
If they see him as a back up, go for Realmuto. If they see him as a starter, the one year guys would be a great addition to split time with him in his rookie year. There is so much to learn and so much more prep work at catcher.
They should not count on Castro as a reliable solution as a starter next year.


I tend to agree with this. Garver is a rookie and not playing daily. Why? Because Molitor doesn't believe in him? Or because Molitor is letting him grow and develop instead of thrusting him to the daily job? If it's the former, may be time to pony up. It takes quality to get quality. In fact, I'm wondering how the Twins will be able to hold on to some guys in regard to next year's 40 man and rule V draft. If Molitor actually likes the game calling and potential of Garver, then a better veteran to split time and learn from makes the most sense.

Could the Twins offer and afford to part with Gonsalves and Gordon to Miami? Absolutely. Would it hurt? Absolutely. Which means it sounds about right with another piece thrown in.
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:42 PM

Why not send Sano to Miami straight up for Realmuto, seems at least possible, especially from the perspective of Miami, who’d like to add someone to build their team around. And I think by adding a consistent contributor behind the dish for the price Sano would only make a more well rounded & dangerous lineup for Twins that’d be taken much more seriously in the eyes of the league.
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:56 PM

I agree with the Chief and Mike-catcher is such a premium position that if you are talking about Realmuto, you are going to have to overpay. I would do Sano for Realmuto straight up, but doubt the Marlins would do it. We have been waiting for Sano to develop into Micky Mantle, and that’s not going to happen.
It’s going to take some of our best prospects to secure someone of Realmuto’s caliber!
If I was Miami, it would have to be Gordon and Gonsalves,...............plus.
(What Doc just said)

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:24 PM

Isn't Flowers the guy that leans on his glove and throws back to the pitcher off his right leg?I don't think I can watch that.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:46 PM

Sano is 24....I remain boggled at people here.
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:58 PM

Trading Sano for Realmuto is stealing from Peter to pay Paul.

The aim is to get better, not swap parts. If you are getting Realmuto, you want him with Sano, not as a swap.
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 12:08 AM

I would have Wilson Ramos on the top of this list. His contract is up at the end of the year.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 02:18 AM

 

Realmuto is the second most valuable catcher over the last two years.... Who are you taking about? Where do you plan to get a catcher?

People keep talking about building this team, but never want to trade prospects, even for players under multiple years of control.

Brian Navaretto. I'm a fan, I think he's going to be very good. 

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 04:37 AM

 

I would have Wilson Ramos on the top of this list. His contract is up at the end of the year.

 

Yep. That's who I assumed the article was about. How did Nick miss this?

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 04:39 AM

Give up some pitching prospect(s) for 23 year old Danny Jansen @ AAA with the Blue Jays?

 

BA .323 and OPS .919 in 61 AAA games.

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#31 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 05:23 AM

Give up some pitching prospect(s) for 23 year old Danny Jansen @ AAA with the Blue Jays?

BA .323 and OPS .919 in 61 AAA games.


Prospect for prospect trades almost never happen.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 06:00 AM

Give up some pitching prospect(s) for 23 year old Danny Jansen @ AAA with the Blue Jays?

BA .323 and OPS .919 in 61 AAA games.


Don't the Jays kind of need him? Russell Martin isn't getting it done anymore, and his deal runs out after 2019 just like Castro.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 06:03 AM

 

ikes the game calling and potential of Garver, then a better veteran to split time and learn from makes the most sense. Could the Twins offer and afford to part with Gonsalves and Gordon to Miami? Absolutely. Would it hurt? Absolutely. 

 

I don't think that Gonsalves and Gordon will do it, and at this point, Gordon is probably penciled in as the starting second baseman in 2019.So it has to be someone else than Gordon (unless they extend Escobar.)Let's say Kirilloff.Still the Twins will probably need to add yet another player at that level and I am not sure they have it, because Lewis, Graterol (top end rotation), and Rooker (pretty much only RH power in the organization) should be untouchable. Would something like Gonsalves, Kirilloff, and Wade do it? Not sure that it is enough

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 06:22 AM

 

Why not send Sano to Miami straight up for Realmuto, seems at least possible, especially from the perspective of Miami, who’d like to add someone to build their team around. And I think by adding a consistent contributor behind the dish for the price Sano would only make a more well rounded & dangerous lineup for Twins that’d be taken much more seriously in the eyes of the league.

Why would Miami do that?Have you watched Sano lately?Unless he gets into shape, he is wasting a wonderful opportunity.So I will use the word disappointing, rather than the words I would like to which would get me get tossed off this site.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 06:24 AM

Here is the problem. Despite the big series win over the weekend, the Twins still only have a 15% chance of making the playoffs. Is it really wise to give up pieces to help a team that is still a relative long-shot to make the playoffs? The Twins might be more legitimate contenders in 2019 and 2020, so in that respect, the trade may make sense. However, it will take more resources to get someone with 2.5 years left of control vs someone with 1.5 or 2 years. They will probably be able to get him cheaper down the road, unless he becomes elite.

 

This year may not be the year to go big for a trade piece, as the Twins are probably going to have to sell barring a furious hot streak and a collapse on the part of the Indians. 


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 06:46 AM

 

I agree with the Chief and Mike-
 

As do I!

 


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 07:02 AM

I would go to the Marlins and say:

Gordon or Javier

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Gonzo or Enlow or Thorpe

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Ben Rortvedt or Garver

 

and if need be maybe throw in Jorge or Stewart to sweeten the deal.

 

 


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 07:04 AM

I would not touch Lucroy as he is overpaid right now and on the downside. Flowers would have to be a trade and sign deal. Realmuto would be great but the asking price would be very high. There have been several catchers on the waiver wire that could help if needed and even if we have to use one from the minors early, that would not be so horrible. I don't see us making the playoffs this year so we have to look at who is going to help us next year and the year after. I would not mortgage the farm.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 07:07 AM

IMO catchers are too prone to injury and need to many days off to pay big for them. I’d rather have a good defensive catcher with a weaker bat that is cheaper to acquire and invest those resources elsewhere.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 08:00 AM

 

 Would something like Gonsalves, Kirilloff, and Wade do it? Not sure that it is enough

I'm not a big fan of trading multiple players for one, all your eggs are in one basket, then if he gets hurt, you are are up a crick without a paddle. The Timberpuppies trade for Jimmy Butler comes to mind.




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