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Article: Twins Select Ryan Jeffers in the Second Round of the 2018 Draft

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#41 ThejacKmp

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 08:40 AM

I always find the rankings sites overrated. It's not about where everyone sees a guy, it's about where you see them and where another team sees them. You obviously shouldn't reach to get a guy but if you want him and you know another team values him a similar amount, you gotta move.

 

I'm not sure if it's the best thing or the worst thing about the MLB draft but it's really hard to get worked up about it like you can for the NBA and NFL. Who knows how good these guys will be? Lewis could crap out in AA and we'll flip the narrative again. And then he could become a shutdown reliever and we'd flop once more.


#42 SirLoin

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 09:39 AM

Reminds me of Evan Gattis....

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 09:41 AM

Garver has looked rough around the edges at times, but the team is also 12-13 in games he's started and pitchers have a 3.51 ERA pitching to him. When someone else has been behind the plate, Twins pitchers have a 4.86 ERA and are 13-17. That has to count for something, right?

Tom, I forgot to add that I am not in anyway discounting the overall theory of certain catchers making pitchers, "pitch better". I have seen it done in person, but obviously not at the MLB level. Whether Garver himself has that ability? Now, therein lies the question. :)
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 09:47 AM

 

based on the write up, I'd disagree on the high ceiling part. I think this is more of a high risk high reward type pick.

 

Curious where you see the high ceiling in him.


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:11 AM

The inner-SABR nerd in me likes that they're going after hitters that control the strike zone. 

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:21 AM

 

I understand an 80% chance to stay at catcher, or 100, or 50 or 20, or even zero. I have no idea what non-zero means. Seems that if people want to communicate, they won't do it in code. Non-zero could mean anything then? Like anywhere between zero and 100% chance? Now that is sticking your predictive neck out, big time.

I agree - I read "non-zero chance to stay at catcher" as "it's not zero, but it's close to it." 


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:24 AM

 

Tom, I forgot to add that I am not in anyway discounting the overall theory of certain catchers making pitchers, "pitch better". I have seen it done in person, but obviously not at the MLB level. Whether Garver himself has that ability? Now, therein lies the question. :)

Maybe they think "I better hit the target, because if I make him move his glove a foot it's going to the backstop."

 

I've seen catchers like that while umpiring. It's always a painful day.


#48 Mike Sixel

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:27 AM

In their summary, FG said he had a chance to stay behind the plate. Better? Non zero chance is how scouts talk about a guy that has a chance, but isn't likely. They don't give an actual percentage because that's kind of silly.
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:33 AM

So this guy is turning 21 soon. How long do you let the experiment at C last? 26 year old 1B or corner OFs aren't that valuable.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:37 AM

 

So this guy is turning 21 soon. How long do you let the experiment at C last? 26 year old 1B or corner OFs aren't that valuable.

 

I think that depends on how he starts out....but likely 3 years at least. Unless his bat is so awesome it can't be waited on....

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:42 AM

I think that depends on how he starts out....but likely 3 years at least. Unless his bat is so awesome it can't be waited on....


I'd love to see a fast moving C in the system. Hasn't happened since Mauer... Garver took nearly 5 years and he still has a long ways to go defensively. Rortvedt is 2.5 years in and in low A...

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:43 AM

Curious where you see the high ceiling in him.


His bat. If he develops, he's a middle of the order bat... as a catcher that's pretty big.
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:35 AM

The inner-SABR nerd in me likes that they're going after hitters that control the strike zone.


I guess you mean draw walks. Larnach had a 20% K rate. Actually his college K/BB profile looks a lot like Rooker's, so who knows how it will translate to the pros.

Jeffers is better in that regard, more BB's than K's, but in a lesser conference too?

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 12:30 PM

I agree with others here that the Twins must feel there is a realistic-to-good chance Jeffers can be a legitimate (average or close to it) MLB catcher.Decent defensive catchers with power are pretty valuable...even if the power doesn't come with great contact/obp.


#55 Mike Sixel

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 12:30 PM

Maybe he'll be Gary Sanchez!

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 01:27 PM

Might be a lazy comparison, but maybe he turns into a right handed Morneau, especially if he moves off catcher. At first I only thought it because he kind of resembles Morneau in his picture http://uncwsports.co...aspx?rp_id=5773, but then I remembered Morneau was drafted as a bat-first catcher and switched positions. They also have a similar size profile. Obviously this is a lofty goal given Morneau's status...but here's to hoping!

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 01:31 PM

 

I guess you mean draw walks. Larnach had a 20% K rate. Actually his college K/BB profile looks a lot like Rooker's, so who knows how it will translate to the pros.

Jeffers is better in that regard, more BB's than K's, but in a lesser conference too?

 

Rooker had one season in college where he had anything resembling plate discipline. More often than not, he was a free swinger, including a 37-5 K/BB ratio in the Cape Cod League. Larnach has somewhat consistently drawn walks and Jeffers has more walks than strikeouts the last two seasons and a run in a summer league where his K/BB was 29/26. 




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