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#21 DocBauer

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 08:40 AM

Call me crazy, but if Grossman is going to be in the lineup, and his strength is seeing a number of pitches and getting walks, why doesn't he bat leadoff with Mauer out? Dozier can keep hitting second, or wherever, and the lineup becomes a bit deeper.
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 08:46 AM

Its been a long time since I was a Brewer's fan, over 30 years.And I haven't followed them at all for year's, but they look like a real good team.And that back end of the bullpen is just plain nasty!

 

Is it possible that we have seen Joe Mauer play for the last time?If this lingers too long, he may just retire.Or will he wait until October?

 

Remember going to a spring training game a long time ago and saw Kirby play, well, like Kirby.The next day he was scratched and his career was over.You never know when it ends for some of these stars we have followed for so long. 

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 08:46 AM

So much wrong with this team right now that we shouldn't really be surprised by the results.

 

- We have our starting catcher, 1B, SS, 3B out of the lineup, a CF that missed 2+ weeks and didn't rehab, and are missing the SP that started the WC game for us. It shouldn't really come to a surprise that our offense has been this bad. Batters 6-9 are almost a guaranteed out every time up there. You can't win with that. If it weren't for a 10 game hot stretch between the ED's we'd be much worse right now.

 

However, were also dealing with things that weren't expected.

 

- Lance Lynn will not throw the ball over the plate. 

- Jose Berrios struggled for 4 or 5 continuous outings

- Logan Morrison forgot how to hit the first 20 games or so

- Robbie Grossman also forgot how to hit

- Taylor Rogers has been ineffective against lefties.

 

With that said, there are also some positives:

-Jake Odorizzi has been as good or better than advertised. 

- Ryan Pressly is NSFW

-Max Kepler is mashing lefties right now

-The Ed's

-Fernando Romero

 

The good news is 12 of our next 22 games are against the Royals, White Sox, or Tigers. This is a good chance to get back on track.

 

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 08:46 AM


 
I get that it was a mistake for Morrison to get picked off, but that happens. It happens from time to time. Also, "we" knew what we were getting with Morrison. His value is based on offense. Not defense. Not running. Hitting. 
 
I think it's fair to say that he's been pretty good the last 20 games with the bat.


Outside of one throw, his defense has been perfectly acceptable too. And as you say...errors happen.
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 08:51 AM

I don't get Morrison playing on defense. Put Kepler at first until Mauer is back and Cave or LaMarre in right. This way we still have quality defense. I like Grossman. I like his approach but he should not be in the outfield and Morrison should be the main DH. I think Grossman has to go. I don't feel good about it, but we have too many constraints with him and Morrison.

Molitor/Falvine need to stop compromising the lineup to fit the right vs left left vs right strategy. That's fine when your players are more balanced, but with so many players out, we need to field the best players we can. We are missing some good bats. We should be filling in with better defense.

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 08:58 AM

 

Its been a long time since I was a Brewer's fan, over 30 years.And I haven't followed them at all for year's, but they look like a real good team.And that back end of the bullpen is just plain nasty!

 

Is it possible that we have seen Joe Mauer play for the last time?If this lingers too long, he may just retire.Or will he wait until October?

 

Remember going to a spring training game a long time ago and saw Kirby play, well, like Kirby.The next day he was scratched and his career was over.You never know when it ends for some of these stars we have followed for so long. 

Yeah, that Brewers bullpen is "nasty" indeed. Lots of press about Hader this season (and he struck out 6 Twins batters in 2.1 innings yesterday) but Jeffress has also been formidable; another scoreless inning yesterday with 2 KO's of his own, and an ERA now sitting at 0.36 !!!


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 09:18 AM

Adrianza is toast.3 rbi for the whole season, how many has he left on base? 

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 09:28 AM

 

So much wrong with this team right now that we shouldn't really be surprised by the results.

 

- We have our starting catcher, 1B, SS, 3B out of the lineup, a CF that missed 2+ weeks and didn't rehab, and are missing the SP that started the WC game for us. 

 

I want through the DL list of every major league team. What the Twins are going through isn't excessive. 

 

Some teams are worse off than we are and some teams are indeed healthier than we are but it's about mid-pack. 

 

I also went through the disabled lists from years past and it turns out that nearly every team has a rash of injuries at some point so it is reasonable to expect those teams that are currently healthier than we are... won't be later on.

 

It happens often enough... like all the time... it should be a consideration when it comes to roster building. 

 

If this amount of injuries/suspensions has got us upside down. We never had a chance because having this amount should have been planned for.

 

Since it happens like... I don't know... all the time.:)

 

 

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 10:34 AM

 

Adrianza is toast.3 rbi for the whole season, how many has he left on base? 

This whole team is playing / coaching stupid baseball right now.Runners at first and third with one out.Adrianza has a 3-0 count on a rookie pitcher who has been wild AND HE IS SWINGING AWAY!!!Of course he strikes out.  

 

Then in the 9th, Buxton on first with no one out.So we pinch hit for Cave who would likely be able to bunt him to second and then let Adrianza hit and of course he strikes out.  

 

 

Stupid baseball....

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 10:37 AM

Adrianza is toast. 3 rbi for the whole season, how many has he left on base?


Toast is insulted by this comparison.
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 10:45 AM

 

I want through the DL list of every major league team. What the Twins are going through isn't excessive. 

 

Some teams are worse off than we are and some teams are indeed healthier than we are but it's about mid-pack. 

 

I also went through the disabled lists from years past and it turns out that nearly every team has a rash of injuries at some point so it is reasonable to expect those teams that are currently healthier than we are... won't be later on.

 

It happens often enough... like all the time... it should be a consideration when it comes to roster building. 

 

If this amount of injuries/suspensions has got us upside down. We never had a chance because having this amount should have been planned for.

 

Since it happens like... I don't know... all the time.:)

Sure it happens to every team.

 

But not their best 4 hitters and last years best pitcher.

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 11:00 AM

If we are going to mention our favorites we should be more complete in our assessments.
Ave/OPS
Hicks 0.240/0.757


That's worth an above-average 106 wRC+ or 102 OPS+. Plus baserunning (5 SB) and solid CF defense, by the metrics anyway. Hicks is on pace for a ~3 WAR season.
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 11:22 AM

Sure it happens to every team.

But not their best 4 hitters and last years best pitcher.


Our best 4 hitters?

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 12:04 PM

 

7 RBI for Wilson seems pretty solid, considering he hits 90th and has like 50 AB. He's not a good hitter, but does this mean he's doing okay with RISP?

Not bad. .500/.429/1.500 (1.929) with RISP for Wilson.

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 12:14 PM

 

Sure it happens to every team.

 

But not their best 4 hitters and last years best pitcher.

 

You are right... the injuries are a blow but every team suffers that blow at some point. This isn't above normal in my opinion and should have been planned for. 

 

Where you and I are going to disagree is saying it's our best 4 hitters and attempting to weight the blow heavier as a result and I guess that's a matter of opinion. 

 

Using OPS in 2017 the top 5 were. 

 

Morrison .868

Sano .859

Dozier .853

Rosario .836

Mauer .801

 

To put that in perspective:

 

Trout, JD Martinez, Judge, Votto, Hoskins, Harper, Stanton, Olson, Blackmon, Were all over 1,000 in 2017.

 

Freeman, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Altuve, Jose Ramirez, Bryant, Justin Turner, Correa, Conforto, Rendon, Bellinger, Cozart, Pham, Zimmerman, Cruz, Ozuna, Beltre, Marwin Gonzalez, Abreu, Bour and Upton were over .900

 

Rizzo, Jose Martinez, Cespedes, Springer, Avisail Garcia, Smoak, Hosmer, Encarnacion, Thames Gary Sanchez, Domingo Santana, Gennett, Gallo and Austin Jackson were all higher than our best. 

 

They are not our top 4 and even if it was our top 4 you can see how it compares. 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 12:22 PM

I want through the DL list of every major league team. What the Twins are going through isn't excessive. 
 
Some teams are worse off than we are and some teams are indeed healthier than we are but it's about mid-pack. 
 
I also went through the disabled lists from years past and it turns out that nearly every team has a rash of injuries at some point so it is reasonable to expect those teams that are currently healthier than we are... won't be later on.
 
It happens often enough... like all the time... it should be a consideration when it comes to roster building. 
 
If this amount of injuries/suspensions has got us upside down. We never had a chance because having this amount should have been planned for.
 
Since it happens like... I don't know... all the time.:)


First of all, I am not blasting the work and efforts of the FO. I think they've done a very nice job, overall, thus far. But where I feel they fell short was a quality OF bench bat to challenge/replace Grossman and another INF option once the Polanco suspension came down, particularly with Sano coming back from injury. I'm still a bit perplexed by the At bar signing. He actually hit well in ST but was then released. No way to absolutely predict Sano's injury, but shouldn't have there been additional insurance brought in?
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 12:35 PM

 

First of all, I am not blasting the work and efforts of the FO. I think they've done a very nice job, overall, thus far. But where I feel they fell short was a quality OF bench bat to challenge/replace Grossman and another INF option once the Polanco suspension came down, particularly with Sano coming back from injury. I'm still a bit perplexed by the At bar signing. He actually hit well in ST but was then released. No way to absolutely predict Sano's injury, but shouldn't have there been additional insurance brought in?

 

This is what exactly what I'm struggling with. 

 

I want to give the front office the benefit of the doubt and I'm trying but something isn't clicking with me. 

 

We broke camp with:

Morrison

Castro

Mauer

Dozier

Sano

Escobar

Rosario

Buxton

Kepler 

 

Garver

Adrianaza

Grossman

LaMarre

 

Somebody had to believe that at least Adrianaza and Grossman could play full time when the DL stints start. Yet one can't hit and the other can't be trusted in the field. 

 

LaMarre was hot in spring training, he was hot when he got limited opportunities and he was hot when he was sent down to AAA for a day but Molitor wouldn't play him even if Morrison was hitting .087. 

 

I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt but... the roster seems to be contingent upon everybody staying healthy for the entire year or the mistaken belief that Adrianaza and Grossman can be full time regulars in the IF and OF. 

 

 

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 12:55 PM

This is what exactly what I'm struggling with. 
 
I want to give the front office the benefit of the doubt and I'm trying but something isn't clicking with me. 
 
We broke camp with:
Morrison
Castro
Mauer
Dozier
Sano
Escobar
Rosario
Buxton
Kepler 
 
Garver
Adrianaza
Grossman
LaMarre
 
Somebody had to believe that at least Adrianaza and Grossman could play full time when the DL stints start. Yet one can't hit and the other can't be trusted in the field. 
 
LaMarre was hot in spring training, he was hot when he got limited opportunities and he was hot when he was sent down to AAA for a day but Molitor wouldn't play him even if Morrison was hitting .087. 
 
I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt but... the roster seems to be contingent upon everybody staying healthy for the entire year or the mistaken belief that Adrianaza and Grossman can be full time regulars in the IF and OF.


I am willing to give some benefit of the doubt to Adrianza and Grossman because Adrianza performed well last season, and Grossman has provided some value and seemed to improve defensively in 2017. But that's an awfully thin margin to get on.

Not going to rewind time and play the name game as to was available and when. But with all the moves made, and the money spent, there were 4 moves I felt screamed to be addressed they were so obvious: OF with a RH bat, an INF for insurance at Rochester, (even before the Polanco suspension), the best AAAA 3B you could sign for Sano/roster insurance and a 3rd catcher.

The only move they made was signing Wilson. Considering experience and defense, it wasn't a horrible move, especially to have him at Rochester to work with the talented young arms there. Maybe I'm crazy, but I almost would rather see At bar at SS right now over Adrianza.

And I absolutely agree on LaMarre. If you liked him enough to keep him on the 25 man, and he was actually hitting, then why didn't you play him?
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 01:16 PM

 

Not bad. .500/.429/1.500 (1.929) with RISP for Wilson.

Seems sustainable.

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 01:49 PM

Not bad. .500/.429/1.500 (1.929) with RISP for Wilson.


They should cash that in soon. Wilson playing once a series is OK but they should be actively looking for an upgrade.

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