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Article: Twins Minor League Report (5/18): Gonsalves, Stewart, Enlow Deal Out Zeroes

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#21 ashburyjohn

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 02:02 PM

I have no idea how to differentiate a AAA, AAAA and #4/5 starter is.

Best insight of the day, IMO. A major league starting rotation is what it is, so a given successful pitcher may get a number assigned for discussion purposes. But no organization develops a guy whose ceiling they view as "a #5". The 5 slot is for promising guys getting a chance (e.g. Fernando Romero) or for veterans on the way down (e.g. Bartolo Colon). A 5-designation isn't for very long - neither is a 4 usually. If one's view is that a guy will never be a 180+ IP workhorse, you damn the guy with faint praise by calling him a 4/5 or less.

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#22 Seth Stohs

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 02:41 PM

 

Best insight of the day, IMO. A major league starting rotation is what it is, so a given successful pitcher may get a number assigned for discussion purposes. But no organization develops a guy whose ceiling they view as "a #5". The 5 slot is for promising guys getting a chance (e.g. Fernando Romero) or for veterans on the way down (e.g. Bartolo Colon). A 5-designation isn't for very long - neither is a 4 usually. If one's view is that a guy will never be a 180+ IP workhorse, you damn the guy with faint praise by calling him a 4/5 or less.

 

That's one way to look at it. Another is to say that there are probably a lot of guys who could be just fine given an opportunity. Slegers might be one of those guys. His ceiling is probably a #4/5 starter in the big leagues, but he's really good in AAA. He could go to the Marlins or something and pitch in their starting rotation (maybe as their #3/4) for 4-5 years.With the Twins, he's kind of a #6/7 right now. 


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 02:49 PM

That's one way to look at it. Another is to say that there are probably a lot of guys who could be just fine given an opportunity. Slegers might be one of those guys. His ceiling is probably a #4/5 starter in the big leagues, but he's really good in AAA. He could go to the Marlins or something and pitch in their starting rotation (maybe as their #3/4) for 4-5 years.With the Twins, he's kind of a #6/7 right now. 

Slegers is a great example of what I'm talking about. I happen to believe he could settle in as a workhorse in a good rotation. But, the lack of strikeouts is a warning flag for many, and maybe I'm foolish to believe in him. It's that difference of opinion that might give him the Marlins opportunity you speak of, if the Marlins are more interested in results than form. But no way were the Twins investing minor league starts in him because they were hoping he reaches a ceiling of a #4; the opportunity cost is too great through the years as he's coming up the ranks.

 

These rotation numbers are so arbitrary and roster-dependent as to make them meaningless, except as "potential #1/ace", "potential #2/#3", or "make him a reliever before it's too late". Someone who's a AAAA guy flunked out of whatever ceiling people thought he had.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 03:48 PM

Zack Granite hitting .179? What's up with that?

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 04:26 PM

 

Zack Granite hitting .179? What's up with that?

Now 203.Highest it's been all season...and coming off a spring where he slugged about 160.

 

He went on a fairly lengthy DL stint right after the Rochester season got underway...so, there is that.But has literally not been getting the ball out of the infield.




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