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#61 beckmt

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:53 AM

Ramos may be available by midseason, and maybe the Twins will not be in the race and won't need the upgrade.Waiting is my best option, and if the Twins are still in the race a month from now, maybe the Rays won't be and you can get Ramos for a mid level prospect.


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:57 AM

 

To those not wanting to add a great catcher.... Where do you see the team adding players in the next three years while Sano and Buxton are here? Where do you see them getting better?

Realmuto is controlled for two years it this one. He's no rental.

 

I guess I don't think Realmuto is a great catcher. He's pretty good, but nowhere near great in my view. I'd say there are only two great catchers in the game and as soon as Posey's inevitable fall off of a cliff occurs, which should be any day now, it will only be Gary Sanchez.

 

I'd trade for Realmuto if it isn't too prohibitive, but I guess I just don't see the urgency now. I was in favor of Garver getting the lion's share of the games behind the plate over Castro to beginning the year. Maybe the idea of the potential of Garver's bat intrigues me more than others.


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:14 PM

 

potentially passing.

 

Lewis hasn't gotten out of A ball yet. 

Well, yes, but he's very likely to spend several years in MLB barring injury.

 

He's the one guy I wouldn't move right now. I think he only continues to gain value.


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:17 PM

 

Well, yes, but he's very likely to spend several years in MLB barring injury.

 

He's the one guy I wouldn't move right now. I think he only continues to gain value.

I wouldn't move him for Realmuto, either.

 

But there are no guarantees with minor leaguers.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:19 PM

 

I wouldn't move him for Realmuto, either.

 

But there are no guarantees with minor leaguers.

None whatsoever. I don't know if I'm ready to jump in on Realmuto - it all depends on the price - but there should be something available better than what the Twins have right now in Wilson.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:22 PM

 

To those not wanting to add a great catcher.... Where do you see the team adding players in the next three years while Sano and Buxton are here? Where do you see them getting better?

Realmuto is controlled for two years it this one. He's no rental.

 

I see them getting better with the guys that they would have to trade just to get Realmuto.:)

 

 

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:25 PM

 

We have so many young pitchers who are with us now or who are about to be with us in the very near future. Does Garver's (average to just above average?) bat provide more value to us than a veteran catcher who can help groom these young pitchers? Do you guys trust Garver with all of these young pitchers?

 

I can agree with this thinking. However, Trading for Realmuto or Swihart isn't acquiring a wealth of experience either. At least with Garver... he has probably already worked with these young pitchers. 

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:30 PM

 

I see them getting better with the guys that they would have to trade just to get Realmuto.:)

 

Gordon will be better than Dozier or Polanco?

There's always next year, or the next, or maybe by the time I'm Chief's age, I guess....


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:35 PM

 

I look at the Yelich deal where Brinson was often top 25 plus three others. Catcher is more scarce than centerfield. They have to expect to get better for Realmuto even when comparing 3 years of control against a possible 5 for Yelich.

Gordon is seen by many as a 2B which is not a position of high value and Gonsalves as a 4th starter. They are good prospects with a major league future. It will take a great prospect. Is there anyone willing to trade Lewis or Romero for Realmuto.

Note. Low ceiling does not equate to mediocre. A likely future starting 2B and 4th starter are not mediocre prospects.

 

Let's say it cost us Royce Lewis to acquire Realmuto. 

 

If you were going to trade Royce Lewis? Wouldn't he be the type of talent that could bring back even bigger offensive production. The type of production that dents the scoreboard... or legitimate pitchers with big K/9's. 

 

 

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:38 PM

 

Let's say it cost us Royce Lewis to acquire Realmuto. 

 

If you were going to trade Royce Lewis? Wouldn't he be the type of talent that could bring back even bigger offensive production. The type of production that dents the scoreboard... or legitimate pitchers with big K/9's. 

 

Assuming you like the OFers they have, and the 3B they have, and Polanco.....that leaves C, 1B, DH, and one MIF spot to "fix" in the next three years.

 

You aren't trading Lewis for a DH only type....so that leaves C, 1B, and one MIF spot. If you trust Gordon at all....maybe no MIF spot.

 

Now, you could deal for a RH OF, and deal one of your existing OF......sure. But, how much does that help? All three are likely 2 WAR (or better) players the next few years. 

 

It really comes down to C, 1B, and 2B.....and who has a great 2B available that isn't a contender?

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:40 PM

 

I have the high upside player to trtade for Realmuto - Miguel Sano. Trade Sano for Realmuto and a solid to good Bullpen piece. Win.win - both teams get a very good player, Sano gets to go closer to home, and the Twins lose a potential great player who's a potential headache. 

Why would Miami do that? That would be a horrible trade for them, imo.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:47 PM

 

Gordon will be better than Dozier or Polanco?

 

It only matters to me if Gordon is productive and the jury hasn't even taken it's seat to hear those deliberations yet. 

 

Dozier may be gone next year. Polanco might come down with a year long case of the Chicken Pox. I'm hoping that Gordon will rise to the majors and shine because we will need him next year and beyond to stay competitive. 

 

I will never pretend to know which prospects are going to pan out and which ones are not and I know that a bunch don't. I do know this. Long term success for the Twins will depend on those prospects panning out and that strategy will depend on strength in numbers to work and that's because a bunch don't pan out. 

 

My fear is that acquiring a Catcher like Realmuto will be cost prohibitive in terms of prospects. I think he is going to painfully expensive because of his talent and position scarcity.

 

If I'm giving up a Lewis. I wan't better than typical Good Catcher stats in return. I want a banger if I'm giving up a #1 draft pick. 

 

 

 

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:50 PM

 

Assuming you like the OFers they have, and the 3B they have, and Polanco.....that leaves C, 1B, DH, and one MIF spot to "fix" in the next three years.

 

You aren't trading Lewis for a DH only type....so that leaves C, 1B, and one MIF spot. If you trust Gordon at all....maybe no MIF spot.

 

Now, you could deal for a RH OF, and deal one of your existing OF......sure. But, how much does that help? All three are likely 2 WAR (or better) players the next few years. 

 

It really comes down to C, 1B, and 2B.....and who has a great 2B available that isn't a contender?

 

This isn't going to work with me. I'm not a starting 9 guy. I don't care if we have Trout, Harper and Yelich in the OF... I'll still bring in Judge if given the opportunity. 

 

There are way too many injuries, slumps and suspensions in Baseball to put things in neat little boxes of having a guy for each position. 

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:53 PM

From 2015 to today....JT Realmuto is number 2 in catcher WAR in all of baseball....

 

From 2016 to today....number 2 in all of baseball....

 

From 2017 to today....number 3 in all of baseball (Sanchez, who I begged for the Twins to trade for 2 years before he hit the majors, is number 1)

 

That's a huge positional advantage for his team....and will make him expensive.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:54 PM

 

This isn't going to work with me. I'm not a starting 9 guy. I don't care if we have Trout, Harper and Yelich in the OF... I'll still bring in Judge if given the opportunity. 

 

There are way too many injuries, slumps and suspensions in Baseball to put things in neat little boxes of having a guy for each position. 

 

Youd give up Lewis for a 4th OFer?

 

and, Judge isn't coming for Lewis......JT isn't as good as Judge.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:17 PM

 

Youd give up Lewis for a 4th OFer?

 

and, Judge isn't coming for Lewis......JT isn't as good as Judge.

 

Mike... You are simultaneously taking me too literally and not literally enough at the same time.:)

 

I used Judge as an example... I don't believe it is realistic to acquire Judge. I also don't believe it would realistic to acquire Harper or Trout or Yelich so I'm not sure why you chose to focus on Judge. :) 

 

They were all extreme examples to make my point that if I were to trade Royce Lewis, I would want top of the line production for him. Good production for a catcher is not what I would trade Lewis for. 

 

My thoughts as nut-shelled as possible. Catchers require more rest so they don't play as much as other position players, Outside of Sanchez and Posey, the best offensive catchers probably produce at the plate as much as average players at other positions. Catchers who can produce are rare so I assume that they are expensive to acquire because of scarcity. So... If I'm going to trade top prospects... I'd rather do it for someone who will produce bigger stats than what catchers produce... that way you get more bang for the buck. 

 

As for what position this big bang for the buck guy plays. I don't care... I'm not a starting 9 guy. Just bring people on who can hit.:)

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:34 PM

It was kind of a long day, ya, that was obvious when you explain it! Appreciate the respectful conversation we are having, even if you are wrong....
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:42 PM

 

It was kind of a long day, ya, that was obvious when you explain it! Appreciate the respectful conversation we are having, even if you are wrong....

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