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#41 DocBauer

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:35 PM

Don't trade for a Catcher... The Price will be too high and the return will be underwhelming because you will be paying for position scarcity. The typical catcher typically produces low batting stats so don't over pay for it with a guy who could potentially produce real numbers that could help a team. Like Aaron Hicks for Murphy, let's not make that mistake again. 
 
Keep working with Garver defensively behind the plate and enjoy the bonus of what I assume will be better offensive numbers. 
 
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#42 dougd

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:51 PM

Is there any chance that Brian Navarreto will be able to help back up at some point if necessary? He is hitting better this year at Chattanooga, although that is probably not sustainable. Despite not hitting, he was a Florida State League All-Star last year. The press release noted:

 

Navarreto's assertive defense has propelled him to an All-Star Selection. He has caught 18 of 36 runners to throw out a staggering 50 percent of would-be base-stealers. The backstop has committed just two errors in over 300 innings of catching as well, and has been extremely effective blocking pitches this season.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:48 PM

 

Can we trade Lance Lynn for a catcher?

Maybe Kansas City wants to part with Drew Butera. Even up?

 

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 04:42 AM

1-For all the “let’s call up the young pitchers and give them a chance” clamoring that goes on on TD, it seems an over-reach to declare Garver a flop at 105 at bats.
2-If Gimenez indeed has an opt-out on June 1, why trade anything for him on May 16?

I am not a Garver the Catcher fan, but I don't think he is a flop. He is a hitter who can catch, barely. He is, I think, 27? And still doesn't have the mechanics down on how to block pitches. I do think he can easily hit well enough to be a MLB player. But he is in a premier defensive position, and he would have to hit a lot more to make up for his lack of defense. While I think shifting has somewhat changed the qualities needed in middle IF'ers, there isn't any shifting in the catching spot. You still have to be able to receive, block and throw.
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:33 AM

Obviously, the Twins need to go out and find the best darn pitch-framer who is available for a reasonable price! Then again, we can suffice with Garver and spare parts (Wilson, etc.) until August rolls around and we're still in thisthing or not. If not, no reason to trade good prospects or sign unnecessary scrubs.

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#46 Mike Sixel

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:11 AM

To advocate it has to include willingness to trade the high upside prospect the Marlins are seeking. The Twins have two of those guys in Lewis and Romero though Graterol may get there by midseason. I think most of us would trade a package of lower ceiling guys like Gordon and Gonsalves. To me, that isn’t calling for a Realmuto trade.

Should the Twins have been willing to part with Lewis or Romero? Some team will be willing to trade a prospect with that upside.


Gordon is a top fifty prospect on several lists, before this year's start. He's not a mediocre prospect. And, how do you know someone is giving up a top twenty five prospect for him? Maybe they will, but maybe not.

I would add Garver and another mid prospect to that offer, like Thorpe. Get a low A guy from Miami with high variance.

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#47 Mike Sixel

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:14 AM

To those not wanting to add a great catcher.... Where do you see the team adding players in the next three years while Sano and Buxton are here? Where do you see them getting better?

Realmuto is controlled for two years it this one. He's no rental.
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:40 AM

 

Obviously, the Twins need to go out and find the best darn pitch-framer who is available for a reasonable price! Then again, we can suffice with Garver and spare parts (Wilson, etc.) until August rolls around and we're still in thisthing or not. If not, no reason to trade good prospects or sign unnecessary scrubs.

perhaps adding players in the meantime will help with being in contention by August.

 

 

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:24 AM

 

2-If Gimenez indeed has an opt-out on June 1, why trade anything for him on May 16?

I'm assuming a "Gimenez for cash considerations" type of trade would get it done. If not, I agree, there's no reason to do it.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:11 PM

Former Diamondbacks' and Cubs' C, lefty Miguel Montero was DFA'd by the Nationals and is a free agent.Well worth it upgrade over Bobby don't call me Brian Wilson.Brings in not only post-season experience (and a ring) that is sorely missing by this team, but a left hand bat as well.And the price in prospects is right.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:34 PM

We have so many young pitchers who are with us now or who are about to be with us in the very near future. Does Garver's (average to just above average?) bat provide more value to us than a veteran catcher who can help groom these young pitchers? Do you guys trust Garver with all of these young pitchers?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:37 PM

 

We have so many young pitchers who are with us now or who are about to be with us in the very near future. Does Garver's (average to just above average?) bat provide more value to us than a veteran catcher who can help groom these young pitchers? Do you guys trust Garver with all of these young pitchers?

 

Well, he caught Berrios all thru AAA, maybe even AA (can't recall).....I don't think this is an issue at all. Others will not agree with me.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:42 PM

Gordon is a top fifty prospect on several lists, before this year's start. He's not a mediocre prospect. And, how do you know someone is giving up a top twenty five prospect for him? Maybe they will, but maybe not.
I would add Garver and another mid prospect to that offer, like Thorpe. Get a low A guy from Miami with high variance.


I look at the Yelich deal where Brinson was often top 25 plus three others. Catcher is more scarce than centerfield. They have to expect to get better for Realmuto even when comparing 3 years of control against a possible 5 for Yelich.

Gordon is seen by many as a 2B which is not a position of high value and Gonsalves as a 4th starter. They are good prospects with a major league future. It will take a great prospect. Is there anyone willing to trade Lewis or Romero for Realmuto.

Note. Low ceiling does not equate to mediocre. A likely future starting 2B and 4th starter are not mediocre prospects.
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#54 Mike Sixel

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:28 PM

I look at the Yelich deal where Brinson was often top 25 plus three others. Catcher is more scarce than centerfield. They have to expect to get better for Realmuto even when comparing 3 years of control against a possible 5 for Yelich.

Gordon is seen by many as a 2B which is not a position of high value and Gonsalves as a 4th starter. They are good prospects with a major league future. It will take a great prospect. Is there anyone willing to trade Lewis or Romero for Realmuto.

Note. Low ceiling does not equate to mediocre. A likely future starting 2B and 4th starter are not mediocre prospects.


I'd trade Lewis if you can control Realmuto for this year, and three more. Yes. You are only losing two years of control, and getting back a young, all Star, catcher. Lewis is in A ball.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:17 AM

 

I'd trade Lewis if you can control Realmuto for this year, and three more. Yes. You are only losing two years of control, and getting back a young, all Star, catcher. Lewis is in A ball.

Realmuto has 2+ seasons left before free agency, not 3+ seasons.

 

And the Twins will almost surely get 6+ seasons out of Lewis so you're passing on four seasons of Lewis.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:35 AM

 

Realmuto has 2+ seasons left before free agency, not 3+ seasons.

 

And the Twins will almost surely get 6+ seasons out of Lewis so you're passing on four seasons of Lewis.

potentially passing.

 

Lewis hasn't gotten out of A ball yet. 

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:40 AM

I probably wouldn't move Lewis.

 

I'd explore all other avenues first.


#58 Mike Sixel

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:06 AM

Realmuto has 2+ seasons left before free agency, not 3+ seasons.

And the Twins will almost surely get 6+ seasons out of Lewis so you're passing on four seasons of Lewis.


That's what I thought, but someone said it was three plus.

I'd have to think harder on Lewis for two plus, given how bad Buxton is and Sano and his health.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:22 AM

 

To advocate it has to include willingness to trade the high upside prospect the Marlins are seeking. The Twins have two of those guys in Lewis and Romero though Graterol may get there by midseason. I think most of us would trade a package of lower ceiling guys like Gordon and Gonsalves. To me, that isn’t calling for a Realmuto trade.

Should the Twins have been willing to part with Lewis or Romero? Some team will be willing to trade a prospect with that upside.

I have the high upside player to trtade for Realmuto - Miguel Sano. Trade Sano for Realmuto and a solid to good Bullpen piece. Win.win - both teams get a very good player, Sano gets to go closer to home, and the Twins lose a potential great player who's a potential headache. 


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:33 AM

 

Former Diamondbacks' and Cubs' C, lefty Miguel Montero was DFA'd by the Nationals and is a free agent.Well worth it upgrade over Bobby don't call me Brian Wilson.Brings in not only post-season experience (and a ring) that is sorely missing by this team, but a left hand bat as well.And the price in prospects is right.

 

I could get behind this. He was a huge prospect at one point, though likely rushed a bit. Not sure if he will ever meet the hype, but he could be one of those late bloomers, and I'd take him over Wilson any day. 




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