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#21 Mike Sixel

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:12 AM

Not a Castro fan so this doesn't bother me in the least.


It doesn't bother you someone is hurt?

There's always next year, or the next, or maybe by the time I'm Chief's age, I guess....


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:12 AM

 

Swihart from Boston would be a good backup C. It's time to see if Garver can handle the job full-time.

Realmuto is going to be expensive....

Quick SWAG:

Realmuto is a 3-WAR player with two more years of arbitration left. That's something like $50M of surplus value. Given what is estimated about prospect valuations, that is probably worth a prospect in the #15-#30 range overall in baseball. 

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#23 Mike Sixel

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:16 AM

Quick SWAG:
Realmuto is a 3-WAR player with two more years of arbitration left. That's something like $50M of surplus value. Given what is estimated about prospect valuations, that is probably worth a prospect in the #15-#30 range overall in baseball.


Gonsalves or Gaterol and kiriloff.... And Garver. Expensive for sure....

There's always next year, or the next, or maybe by the time I'm Chief's age, I guess....


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:17 AM

Quick SWAG:
Realmuto is a 3-WAR player with two more years of arbitration left. That's something like $50M of surplus value. Given what is estimated about prospect valuations, that is probably worth a prospect in the #15-#30 range overall in baseball.


Agreed. It may be worth giving up Gordon + others for Realmuto. I'm not ready to do that until Garver shows he's clearly not a starting caliber player.

Realmuto is a top 5 C in baseball. That's valuable no doubt. After the top 5 there's not much difference between #6 and #26 on the list.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:18 AM

 

Quick SWAG:

Realmuto is a 3-WAR player with two more years of arbitration left. That's something like $50M of surplus value. Given what is estimated about prospect valuations, that is probably worth a prospect in the #15-#30 range overall in baseball. 

Yep. Lewis is off the table but they'd probably ask for a package with Gordon and Gonsalves as an opening offer. Maybe we get it moved a bit but Realmuto will hurt us prospect-wise.

 

Additionally, his next two arb years will be expensive. He's making 2.9 this year and probably makes something like 14-17m over his final two arb years. Pohlads don't like to spend money.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:26 AM

 

I think Realmuto is a real option now. I'd see if a small package revolving around Littell gets it done. 

 

This is laughable. Littell will not headline a trade, Realmuto would cost significant prospects.

 

When Lucroy was traded in August 2016 with 1.5 years left on his contract at age 30, he cost the Rangers Baseball America's #16 prospect and #64 prospect (though the Rangers got a decent reliever as well).

 

Realmuto is 27 and has 2.5 years of control left. He would likely cost you multiple top prospects - think Gordon and Gonsalves plus something else worthwhile.
 

WAY to expensive when the Twins have Garver and Castro for next year. They should be looking at one-year options. Lucroy would be the class of that crew but the A's will wait til closer to the deadline unless you blow them away.

 

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:27 AM

 

 ...Realmuto will hurt us prospect-wise.

 

 

...Pohlads don't like to spend money.

 

who cares?

 

and

 

who cares? (besides which, there's a lot of money coming off the books next year.)

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#28 Mike Sixel

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:29 AM

This is laughable. Littell will not headline a trade, Realmuto would cost significant prospects.

When Lucroy was traded in August 2016 with 1.5 years left on his contract at age 30, he cost the Rangers Baseball America's #16 prospect and #64 prospect (though the Rangers got a decent reliever as well).

Realmuto is 27 and has 2.5 years of control left. He would likely cost you multiple top prospects - think Gordon and Gonsalves plus something else worthwhile.

WAY to expensive when the Twins have Garver and Castro for next year. They should be looking at one-year options. Lucroy would be the class of that crew but the A's will wait til closer to the deadline unless you blow them away.


Why is that too expensive? They have what at catcher? Castro isn't stellar, and now he'll be older and coming off a season ending injury. What is the point of a deep system if you won't trade from it? Realmuto is an answer for this season and two more. And, I am a Garver fan.....
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:31 AM

Gotta upgrade asap. Priority #1 as of a few hours ago.

The rotation is solid with reinforcements available. The bullpen less so but you can hope for the best with Jay and a few others filling in roles.

But Garver shouldn’t be the full-time starter and Wilson is an afterthought, a guy you don’t mind giving 10-15 starts due to injury but not 30-40.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:31 AM

 

Yep. Lewis is off the table but they'd probably ask for a package with Gordon and Gonsalves as an opening offer. Maybe we get it moved a bit but Realmuto will hurt us prospect-wise.

 

Additionally, his next two arb years will be expensive. He's making 2.9 this year and probably makes something like 14-17m over his final two arb years. Pohlads don't like to spend money.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about, the Twins can afford Realmuto's 2019-2020 salaries that will total $14-17M and the Pohlads aren't getting in the way of that. Clearly they must have hated how Falvey and Levine spent $30M in 2018 in free agency.

 

The only thing preventing a trade for Realmuto is the prospects the Marlins will ask for. Someone had mentioned Nick Gordon, but I think I'd rather keep him because our infield's future looks very muddied with Dozier and Escobar as free agents. 

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:32 AM

Run with it Garver.If he completely fails then what is he anyway(?)I like Wilson as a mentor.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:34 AM

 

He's out for the season? If true, he's not going to be much help next year either. If true, is certainly be trying to get a catcher in trade. They supposedly have a very deep farm system, this is why you have depth.. .

 

ACL's regularly take 9 months for MLB players, he has a good shot to be okay for opening day and if not, early in the season. Adam Eaton tore his at the end of April last year and was back for opening day.

 

Catchers don't tend to make the quick cuts that are so hard on ACLs so Castro being a catcher shouldn't change things too much.

 

In good news, lead knee recoveries generally go better than back knee recoveries. Since Castro is a lefty at the plate, he should be in better shape there since it's his right knee.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:35 AM

 

It doesn't bother you someone is hurt?

 

Pretty clear he's talking about Castro as a baseball player and not Castro the human being. Or did you think that some TD poster had a vendetta against Twins catcher Jason Castro?

 

This is pretty combative for no real reason or logical purpose. C'mon.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:36 AM

 

ACL's regularly take 9 months for MLB players, he has a good shot to be okay for opening day and if not, early in the season. Adam Eaton tore his at the end of April last year and was back for opening day.

 

Catchers don't tend to make the quick cuts that are so hard on ACLs so Castro being a catcher shouldn't change things too much.

 

In good news, lead knee recoveries generally go better than back knee recoveries. Since Castro is a lefty at the plate, he should be in better shape there since it's his right knee.

It's an MCL (meniscus) tear. It takes a shorter amount of time to recover from this kind.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:38 AM

 

I don't know what the heck you're talking about, the Twins can afford Realmuto's 2019-2020 salaries that will total $14-17M and the Pohlads aren't getting in the way of that. Clearly they must have hated how Falvey and Levine spent $30M in 2018 in free agency.

 

The only thing preventing a trade for Realmuto is the prospects the Marlins will ask for. Someone had mentioned Nick Gordon, but I think I'd rather keep him because our infield's future looks very muddied with Dozier and Escobar as free agents. 

 

They will ask for at least two top prospects. Realmuto would have a painful cost that will likely be prohibitive. You ain't buying low.

 

I'd be more interested in Lucroy, who could get in the mix at DH and 1B while splitting time with Garver. He doesn't hit lefty but there won't be a perfect solution.

 

Not sure what Lucroy will cost. Assuming that there are no other teams bidding, it seems like not that much? He was available for $6.5 million on a one-year deal so there isn't a huge market for him. Strange since he still has a nice bat.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:38 AM

 

It's an MCL (meniscus) tear. It takes a shorter amount of time to recover from this kind.

 

Even better. He should for sure be back by next year.


#37 Mike Sixel

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:39 AM

Recovery time or not, he's not getting younger or better... And he has one cheap year left. I find it hard to believe he's even the main catcher next year, and if he is, that's probably not a good sign about Garver....
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:41 AM

 

Why is that too expensive? They have what at catcher? Castro isn't stellar, and now he'll be older and coming off a season ending injury. What is the point of a deep system if you won't trade from it? Realmuto is an answer for this season and two more. And, I am a Garver fan.....

 

That's a lot of prospects for a guy whose career OPS is .760. Garver is working on a .736 OPS this year. Realmuto is clearly the better player but is he that much better? Those are real prospects the Twins would be giving up.

 

I don't think Realmuto moves the dial that much. The Twins need a short-term solution for this year since they have Castro and Garver for next year. Lucroy makes so much sense.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:43 AM

 

Recovery time or not, he's not getting younger or better... And he has one cheap year left. I find it hard to believe he's even the main catcher next year, and if he is, that's probably not a good sign about Garver....

 

Last year Castro was an above-average hitter for a catcher. He has always gotten reviews that range from average to excellent for his defense. And he's a lefty who pairs excellently with Garver.

 

The Castro hate has always been overstated. He's not Joe Mauer but that's why there are currently nine threads debating whether or not Joe Mauer is a HOFer. Castro is an above-average C. The Twins would be better spent seeing if those prospects pan out.


#40 Mike Sixel

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:48 AM

I wanted them to sign Castro. I don't hate him at all, as a player or person. But he's got one year left, and he's a catcher having knee surgery.... And skills decline with age.

Most minor league players just don't turn out. Realmuto is one of the best catchers in the game. Garver isn't close to that. I think it likely we won't agree on this one.

I'd rather the team have good MLB players than a deep farm system they don't trade from, only to watch other teams trade for Verlander....I don't want a repeat of the previous FO refusing to make good teams better, as a fan.
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