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#1 gunnarthor

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 07:40 AM

This article was posted on minor league ball and the timing is good seeing we just saw Ohtani.

 

https://www.minorlea...y-up-the-ladder

 

McKay has been moved up to high A after killing it on both sides of the ball in A ball. I'm still not convinced that he can do both at the ML level but I'd like to see him make it so we get more of these kind of guys.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 07:47 AM

 

This article was posted on minor league ball and the timing is good seeing we just saw Ohtani.

 

https://www.minorlea...y-up-the-ladder

 

McKay has been moved up to high A after killing it on both sides of the ball in A ball. I'm still not convinced that he can do both at the ML level but I'd like to see him make it so we get more of these kind of guys.

With teams struggling to find a balance between bench players and pitching staffs, I think this portends an interesting future.

 

We've already seen, or are seeing, the end of the pure "DH" and this is probably the next logical step.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 08:04 AM

Like two-sport athletes, I think this will briefly be a trend but will disappear the second there's a serious injury.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:59 AM

Thanks for posting that. I remember all the pre-draft hype about McKay's potential as a 2-way player but had nearly forgotten about him. With Otani succeeding so far, that definitely adds more intrigue to the idea of other teams trying it. And what about the high school kid that the Reds drafted? Another potential 2-way player that was pegged as a possible number one pick (and was on the cover of SI). Sorry, but I'm having a brain fart and can't remember his name! How is doing so far this season?

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 07:06 AM

Hunter Greene. He is now pitching exclusively and struggling mightily in the MWL.It's very early in the development process, but as of now, Falvey and Levine are looking like geniuses.  

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 07:18 AM

It's real nice seeing our boy ROYCE right on his heels despite being 3 years younger :D

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:30 AM

I have wondered if Dave Winfield was ever called on to pitch an inning or two in a blowout game. Success in college certainly doesn't automatically translate to MLB but he was a key starting pitcher at the U.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:38 AM

I was thinking about whether it is better for a skilled pitcher who is also a skilled batter to be on an AL team or an NL team.
Under NL rules the manager could bat him somewhere in the middle of the order and this would provide a significant advantage compared with AL rules. However, that only applies on days he pitches. I'd be hesitant to use him as an outfielder on other days out of concern for potential arm issues, but there would be value in having an extra pinch hitter.
Under AL rules the manager is pretty much forced to use a DH for him because not doing so could become a significant disadvantage late in a game, especially in extra innings. But it also allows him to DH on days he doesn't pitch.
I'm inclined to think AL rules are better suited for optimal use of this type of player.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:49 AM

Picture Ohtani and the success he's having. Now multiply by ten and you have Babe Ruth. Offensively he was so far beyond his peers that even the best players of the last 60 years were no better. Couple that with the fact that he was an outstanding pitcher, and there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that he was the best all-around baseball player ever.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:59 AM

McKay's lack of velocity kept me from wanting him as the top pick. Thinking about the Twins taking a guy #1 overall who throws 92 MPH seemed like a stereotypical "play it safe" Twins move. I don't think his bat is going to be anything better than an extra-innings emergency pinch-hitter considering he plays the offensive dependent 1st base, but maybe his arm is more live than his college velocity let on. We'll probably know more once he faces better competition.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:07 AM

Hunter Greene. He is now pitching exclusively and struggling mightily in the MWL. It's very early in the development process, but as of now, Falvey and Levine are looking like geniuses.


How so? All five or six of the first picks are top fifty prospects. Only Greene is struggling and he's 18 or 19 years old.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 11:30 AM

 

I have wondered if Dave Winfield was ever called on to pitch an inning or two in a blowout game. Success in college certainly doesn't automatically translate to MLB but he was a key starting pitcher at the U.

I think Winfield is on the short list of players who you could imagine having success as a two-way player had they been allowed to do it. 

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 11:46 AM

I dunno about 2-way star.He are his numbers on the plate as a 22 year old in the Midwest League:

 

.254/.484/.333. 

 

Other than his good great pitch discrimination, the rest are uber pedestrian.  

 

For comparison's sake: 

 

.343/.387/.414

 

4-year younger Royce Lewis's line in the same league this season.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 12:12 PM

 

How so? All five or six of the first picks are top fifty prospects. Only Greene is struggling and he's 18 or 19 years old.

 

My comment is in regards to performance, not a number on a list. I agree with baseball writers across the board, Hunter Greene definitely should be a top 50 prospect.He's immensely talented. However, if we are looking purely at performance results to this point, Falvey and Levine are looking like geniuses considering all the questions around selecting Royce #1. Although there wasn't necessarily a consensus top pick in the draft, Greene was seen by most as that player. I'd also say for the Twins specifically, many people weren't happy we passed on McKay. 

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 12:19 PM

 

My comment is in regards to performance, not a number on a list. I agree with baseball writers across the board, Hunter Greene definitely should be a top 50 prospect.He's immensely talented. However, if we are looking purely at performance results to this point, Falvey and Levine are looking like geniuses considering all the questions around selecting Royce #1. Although there wasn't necessarily a consensus top pick in the draft, Greene was seen by most as that player. I'd also say for the Twins specifically, many people weren't happy we passed on McKay. 

Well, I wanted Wright ...

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 12:25 PM

I was all-in on Greene with Wright as a close second.That's basically why I work in corporate America and not in the front office of an MLB team.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 12:44 PM

 

My comment is in regards to performance, not a number on a list. I agree with baseball writers across the board, Hunter Greene definitely should be a top 50 prospect.He's immensely talented. However, if we are looking purely at performance results to this point, Falvey and Levine are looking like geniuses considering all the questions around selecting Royce #1. Although there wasn't necessarily a consensus top pick in the draft, Greene was seen by most as that player. I'd also say for the Twins specifically, many people weren't happy we passed on McKay. 

 

fair. I just think less than 12 months in is a bit early to decide. But so far, sure, Lewis looks great, no question.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:39 PM

 

With teams struggling to find a balance between bench players and pitching staffs, I think this portends an interesting future.

 

We've already seen, or are seeing, the end of the pure "DH" and this is probably the next logical step.

 

There are a lot of college pitchers that also play the field, and are hitting everyday because they hit well. Let them hit if they can. To shut it down while they still hit at the level they are in always seems like such a waste to me.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:49 PM

Buxton was going to be the next Mike Trout at this level. Sometimes it happens, most of the time it doesn't. I hope they all find greatness, and we are talking about this draft for years to come, and McKay keeps doing both, too.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:49 PM

 

How so? All five or six of the first picks are top fifty prospects. Only Greene is struggling and he's 18 or 19 years old.

Kohl Stewart was a top 50 prospect at one point. That does not mean a whole lot now.