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#1 USAFChief

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:32 AM

http://www.espn.com/...broken-baseball

 

Count me among those who liked baseball better back in the day when there were more balls in play. More stolen bases, more hit and runs, and yes, even more bunts.

 

I believe MLB needs to do something to start reducing the amount of K's.  

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#2 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:38 AM

What can the league do, realistically?
If teams have data showing them that those things you suggest have a lower run expectancy, they aren't going to go back to the way things used to be.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:06 PM

 

What can the league do, realistically?
If teams have data showing them that those things you suggest have a lower run expectancy, they aren't going to go back to the way things used to be.

I'm not sure.But there should, theoretically, be a way to do it. 

 

Some ideas I've seen bandied about:

 

-limit the number of pitchers on the 25 man roster. 

 

-increase the minimum size of the bat handle diameter.

 

-lower the mound again.

 

 

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:24 PM

Build bigger parks? I think this is sorta cyclical. Right now, hitters are trying to hit home runs but that might change in the future. We might get some hitters to change their two strike approach. Maybe a running team changes how teams are constructed. 

 

But I tend to agree, baseball with strike outs and walks is a bit boring.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:28 PM

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:34 PM

 

I'm not sure.But there should, theoretically, be a way to do it. 

 

Some ideas I've seen bandied about:

 

-limit the number of pitchers on the 25 man roster. 

 

-increase the minimum size of the bat handle diameter.

 

-lower the mound again.

Softer baseball?

 

The feast or famine status of the game has gotten boring.I personally believe that it's impacted the length of games as well.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:40 PM

 

http://www.espn.com/...broken-baseball

 

Count me among those who liked baseball better back in the day when there were more balls in play. More stolen bases, more hit and runs, and yes, even more bunts.

 

I believe MLB needs to do something to start reducing the amount of K's.  

 

I think there are far bigger problems to address then this such as the ridiculous length of MLB games in comparison to AAA games and absolutely atrocious strike zone calling (strike and ball calling should be computer called). 


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:33 PM

I think there are far bigger problems to address then this such as the ridiculous length of MLB games in comparison to AAA games and absolutely atrocious strike zone calling (strike and ball calling should be computer called). 

The present shadow of doubt in batters' minds probably has more effect on them, than the uncertainty the pitcher has, as to what will get called a strike. So I assume that automated ball/strike calls will favor the offense. That may cut down on the K's, to Chief's liking, but may also increase walks and homers. Just something to take into account - an increase in run scoring may need to be balanced in some other way. A less-juiced ball would be my solution as well, as it probably results in batters accepting the need to put more balls in play. Optimal launch-angle resulting in mere cans o' corn will concentrate the mind wonderfully. :)

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 04:49 PM

I'm not one to fondly view the past through rose-colored glasses but strikeouts are boring. Walks aren't as boring as strikeouts but they're certainly more boring than hits.

 

Pitching changes are boring. Four hour games that aren't back-and-forth struggles are boring. Station-to-station running is boring.

 

Baseball is a spectator sport and the most boring aspects of the game continue to gain importance. It's not good.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 05:21 PM

 

http://www.espn.com/...broken-baseball

 

Count me among those who liked baseball better back in the day when there were more balls in play. More stolen bases, more hit and runs, and yes, even more bunts.

 

I believe MLB needs to do something to start reducing the amount of K's.  

 

Mark McGwire and Samy Sosa killed smallball for good and there is nothing one may do to resurrect it from the hey it is burning in.Thankfully.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:15 AM

I think there are far bigger problems to address then this such as the ridiculous length of MLB games in comparison to AAA games and absolutely atrocious strike zone calling (strike and ball calling should be computer called).

Fewer strikeouts would mean the ball has been put in play sooner in the AB which would mean games would be over sooner.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:25 AM

Fewer strikeouts would mean the ball has been put in play sooner in the AB which would mean games would be over sooner.


A quicker out than a strikeout is one possible outcome. Another is a walk. A ball in play can also fall safely for a hit, in which case you start the count all over again.

Strikeouts and pitch counts both being up may be correlation without being causation - in either direction.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:35 AM

My solution:
1. Lower the mound.
2. Enlarge the strike zone.
3. Use softer baseballs.
Fewer walks. Fewer K's (because there wouldn't be as much of a downward plane on pitches). More balls would be put in play but the increase would be mainly in the form of weaker contact.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 12:21 PM

 

Mark McGwire and Samy Sosa killed smallball for good and there is nothing one may do to resurrect it from the hey it is burning in.Thankfully.

Regrettably.I would like balance and diversity.I agree all small-ball would be boring...but an entire league of players incapable (no matter where in the order they bat, or what the game situation) of hitting the ball the other way, or putting a ball in play, or bunting effectively...also very boring.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 12:40 PM

Change arbitration rules so HRs for batters and K for pitchers don't influence salary as much. 

 

I'm not saying I support it, but what else can they do at the league level? Otherwise, I'd say this is a coaching issue. 


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:13 PM

 

My solution:
1. Lower the mound.
2. Enlarge the strike zone.
3. Use softer baseballs.
Fewer walks. Fewer K's (because there wouldn't be as much of a downward plane on pitches). More balls would be put in play but the increase would be mainly in the form of weaker contact.

 

Yes!!Especially 2.Hitters are not being punished enough for waiting for their mashable pitch.At a certain point, the ability to make contact anywhere in the zone would have to become valuable again.

 

"Strikeouts are boring.Besides, they're fascist."

 

It's getting to the point where the same is true for home runs.